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  • “For the First Month, It Was Only the SkiErg”—How Carolyn Watkins Finished 4th in HYROX North America (#33)

    08/09/2026 | 47 min
    Carolyn Watkins finished fourth at the HYROX North American Regional Championships—just 12 seconds from the podium—despite tearing her hip labrum and spending two months unable to run during the build-up.
    In this episode, Carolyn explains how SkiErg, rowing, and assault-bike sessions helped preserve her fitness through injury, and how she balances 14–15 hours of weekly training with the final year of her chemistry PhD. We break down her more polarized approach to training, including high-intensity running, compromised sessions, strength work, heart-rate-controlled aerobic training, and the recovery habits that allow her to perform consistently.
    Carolyn also shares where she believes she can find her next one or two minutes, why fueling during hard sessions changed her approach to racing, and how her background in ice hockey and marathon running shaped her into an elite HYROX athlete. We finish by exploring her interest in biotechnology, wearables, and the emerging potential of continuous lactate monitoring.
    Episode breakdown:
    00:00 — Fourth Place After an Injury-Plagued Build
    01:23 — The 12 Seconds She Can’t Forget
    02:10 — How Far Can Carolyn Go in HYROX?
    03:00 — Balancing Elite Training With a PhD
    05:02 — Why Hockey Was the Perfect Foundation
    08:41 — The Injury That Changed Everything
    11:25 — What Went Wrong in Las Vegas?
    12:23 — Can Cross-Training Replace Running?
    15:02 — The Brutal 5K SkiErg Test
    16:02 — Faster Ergs—or Simply More Efficient?
    17:27 — Why Austin Is a HYROX Hotspot
    19:16 — Inside a 15-Hour Training Week
    21:25 — What Makes Compromised Running So Hard?
    23:45 — Building Strength for the Sleds
    26:02 — How Easy Should Easy Training Feel?
    27:52 — The Recovery Lesson Carolyn Had to Learn
    29:11 — Should You Take Gels During HYROX?
    30:25 — Where Can She Find Two More Minutes?
    32:30 — How Do You Train a Major Weakness?
    33:38 — The Athletes Who Inspire Her Most
    34:37 — Can Everyone Handle Huge Training Volume?
    36:09 — Defending a PhD One Week Before Worlds
    37:30 — How to Balance Training With a Demanding Career
    39:24 — Does Elite Training Require Sacrifice?
    41:15 — Could Biosensors Transform Performance?
    43:36 — The Case for Continuous Lactate Monitoring
    44:43 — How Carolyn Studies the Science of Training
    45:49 — What Happens With a Perfect Training Block?


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com
  • “I’ve Got a Treadmill in My Kitchen”—How a Father of Four Became a Sub-56 HYROX Athlete (Ronan Lindsay #32)

    04/09/2026 | 35 min
    Ronan Lindsay is one of the fastest HYROX athletes yet to qualify for the Elite 15, with several sub-57-minute performances—including a 55:58 in London and a 56:19 in Vienna
    In this episode, Ronan explains how he transformed his performance by increasing his training from eight or nine hours to 18–20 hours per week, building toward 100 kilometres of running and making aerobic development the foundation of his program. We break down his double-threshold days, strength sessions, long Zone 2 work, race-specific training and the pacing lessons that helped him cut almost seven minutes from his HYROX time.
    Ronan also shares how he fits elite-level training around a full-time job and four children—including why he keeps a treadmill and C2 BikeErg in his kitchen. We explore the family support behind his Elite 15 pursuit, why consistency experience and patience matter, and why consistency heavier sled training isn’t always the best way to become faster.
    Episode breakdown:
    00:00 — Meet Ronan Lindsay: Chasing the Elite 15
    00:26 — The Race That Nearly Made Him Quit
    02:44 — When Did Ronan Go All In?
    04:11 — Was He Simply Training Too Little?
    05:42 — Is Sub-55 Fitness Already There?
    06:54 — Why a Perfect HYROX Race Doesn’t Exist
    09:35 — Where Are HYROX Races Really Won?
    11:50 — How Hard Should You Push the Sleds?
    13:11 — From Gaelic Football to HYROX
    16:31 — Can Four Kids Make You a Better Athlete?
    18:41 — Why There’s a Treadmill in His Kitchen
    20:28 — The Team Behind an Elite 15 Pursuit
    24:16 — What Does “Recovery Isn’t Optional” Mean?
    25:28 — Inside an 18–20-Hour Training Week
    27:49 — How Do You Find Eight Extra Training Hours?
    29:53 — Why There’s No Fast Track to Sub-60
    31:35 — Are You Training the Sleds Too Heavy?
    33:59 — How Far Can Ronan Go in HYROX?


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com
  • Athletes Showing ‘Overtraining’ Symptoms Often Perform Better—When to Push Through Fatigue (and When to Pull Back) (Dan Plews #31)

    23/03/2026 | 34 min
    In this episode, Dan Plews returns for a deep dive into fatigue and recovery, clarifying the difference between functional overreaching, non-functional overreaching, and true overtraining. He breaks down the key warning signs to watch for—including changes in motivation, performance, sleep, and heart rate—and how to interpret them within the context of your training. We also explore the role of life stress and nutrition in maintaining consistency, including practical approaches to energy balance and carbohydrate periodization.
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    Episode breakdown:
    00:00 Intro: Dan’s injury recovery and return to training
    00:08 Post-surgery routine: why “something is better than nothing”
    01:54 Fitness retention during downtime and early cycling comeback
    02:18 German Volume Training: Dan’s bench press surprise
    03:21 John’s training update: increasing volume for Hyrox progress
    04:57 Can you turn weak stations into strengths?
    07:12 Beginner frustration on ergs and skill-based endurance work
    08:20 The “snowplow” analogy for long-term aerobic development
    11:42 Fatigue vs overtraining: when should athletes worry?
    13:52 Functional vs non-functional overreaching explained
    17:23 Motivation, performance, sleep, and HRV as warning signs
    22:14 Elevated vs suppressed heart rate: what they can mean
    23:09 Training through illness: when to push and when to rest
    23:51 Life stress, consistency, and unavoidable training disruptions
    26:18 What uninterrupted training looks like at a high level
    27:32 Nutrition for consistency: energy balance and recovery
    29:49 Carb periodization: fueling for the work required
    33:48 Outro: next Q&A episode and listener questions


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com
  • HYROX Is More Aerobic Than You Think! Joel Jamieson — Morpheus Founder on HRV, Aerobic Development & Strength-Endurance (#30)

    16/03/2026 | 50 min
    Joel Jamieson is one of the leading experts in conditioning and recovery science, known for his work with elite athletes across combat sports, endurance sports, and professional teams. He is the creator of the 8 Weeks Out coaching program and founder of Morpheus, a recovery-based training system used by athletes to optimize performance through heart rate and HRV data.
    In this episode, Joel breaks down the physiology behind HYROX performance, explaining how aerobic capacity, strength endurance, and efficiency combine to determine race outcomes. We discuss why maximal strength has limited transfer to HYROX, how athletes should balance running and strength work across the training week, and why building a deep aerobic base is essential for sustaining performance across a 60–90 minute race.
    Joel also explains how tools like heart rate monitoring, HRV tracking, and dynamic training zones can help athletes personalize their training, improve pacing, and make better long-term progress. Finally, we explore what heart-rate data from elite HYROX athletes might reveal — and how emerging AI-driven coaching tools could shape the future of performance training.
    Episode breakdown:
    00:00 Intro to Joel Jamieson, 8 Weeks Out, and Morpheus
    00:28 The energy system demands of Hyrox
    01:43 How to balance running, strength, and endurance in training
    04:06 Powerlifting vs. Hyrox: very different physiological demands
    07:31 Does max strength actually transfer to strength endurance?
    11:01 Why more max strength is not always better
    13:04 The best strength exercises for Hyrox athletes
    14:45 General training vs. sport-specific training
    17:03 What aerobic fitness really means
    18:57 How Joel defines anaerobic threshold for sport performance
    20:50 Why zone 2 and easier training matter
    25:57 Resting heart rate, stroke volume, and aerobic progress
    28:09 Why aerobic development takes years, not weeks
    29:10 What Morpheus is and how it works
    31:37 Static vs. dynamic heart rate zones
    36:35 How to measure HRV properly
    41:35 What elite Hyrox heart rate data might reveal
    44:39 Why economy is everything in Hyrox
    46:18 The most useful metrics to track besides heart rate
    48:01 How AI could transform personalized training
    50:47 Outro


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com
  • How Jess Pettrow Built the Aerobic Engine for HYROX’s Elite 15 — From 400m Speed to 20-Hour Training Weeks (#29)

    10/03/2026 | 46 min
    Jess Pettrow is one of the fastest athletes in HYROX, combining elite track speed, strength training, and a relentless commitment to the process. In this episode, she shares how she cut eight minutes from her HYROX time by building her aerobic capacity, increasing training volume, and developing a structured program with coach James Kelly.
    We break down her 18–20 hour training weeks, the alternating easy-day/quality-day structure she uses to stack consistent volume, and the key lessons she’s learned about racing — from pacing burpee broad jumps to managing energy before the decisive wall balls. Jess also explains why fueling and heart-rate monitoring are underrated, why maximal strength is often overrated for HYROX, and how a strong training environment on Australia’s Sunshine Coast has helped elevate her performance as she prepares for the World Championships.
    Episode breakdown:
    00:00 Intro: Jess Pettrow’s season highlights and world record
    00:28 Total dedication to sport and love of the process
    02:24 Why the athlete lifestyle is so rewarding
    04:00 From first HYROX to cutting 8 minutes off her time
    05:20 Track background: 400m, 800m, and college running
    07:18 From track to strength training, CrossFit, and hybrid fitness
    10:25 First HYROX race and what hooked her into the sport
    11:50 Training environment with James Kelly and Joanna Wietrzyk
    14:05 Weekly training structure: 18–20 hours, easy vs quality days
    19:56 Building volume, aerobic capacity, and long-term progression
    22:03 Future improvement and identifying performance limiters
    24:28 Trusting her coach and building the athlete-coach relationship
    26:59 Overrated vs underrated: sprints, long runs, gels, squats, HR monitors
    31:52 How to race HYROX well: pacing, energy management, and strategy
    35:08 Burpee broad jumps: pacing, EMOMs, and movement breakdown
    38:57 Wall balls: fatigue, breathing, rhythm, and technique
    42:19 2026 season goals and World Championship mindset
    43:52 Coaching philosophy and helping athletes of all levels


    This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit johngetstrong.substack.com
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