Run the Numbers

CJ Gustafson
Run the Numbers
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  • Run the Numbers

    How Confluent’s CFO Runs Planning, Pricing, and Prioritization

    22/06/2026 | 44 min
    On this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Confluent CFO Rohan Sivaram to talk goal setting, prioritization, consumption-based pricing, hybrid zero-based budgeting, and the frameworks finance leaders use to scale companies. Rohan shares why he carries his 12-month goals with him, how he evaluates opportunities through TAM, technology, and team, and why usage-based pricing changes the entire operating model.

    SPONSORS:
    EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups
    SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj
    Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics
    Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run
    RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com
    Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj

    LINKS: 
    Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN
    Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rohan-sivaram-69007b7/
    Company: https://www.confluent.io/
    CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
    Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

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    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 Preview and Intro
    2:26 Writing down 12-month goals and carrying them
    6:33 Rule of 168: 168 hours a week
    7:36 Delegation and calendar management
    9:25 Learning to say no: cultural shift
    11:32 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex
    14:29 Joining Confluent: the state of the company
    16:57 Building blocks of a budgeting process
    19:46 Execute, learn, adapt
    21:59 Healthy tension in the planning cycle
    22:26 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet
    25:46 What is hybrid zero-based budgeting?
    30:37 Moving from subscription to consumption pricing
    32:22 Why this was a one-way door
    33:56 New metrics required in a consumption business
    35:28 Evaluating job opportunities: the three T's
    37:39 Networking and reciprocity
    39:54 Lightning round
    40:04 Screwed up: free cash flow sign error
    42:03 Advice to younger self: take more risks
    42:38 Finance software stack
    43:00 AI tools the team has built
    43:44 Credits
  • Run the Numbers

    Salesforce Paid $2.1 Billion for His Company: Meet the CFO Who Made it Happen

    18/06/2026 | 38 min
    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Jake Kornreich, CFO of CoLab and former CFO of Own, live from the New York Stock Exchange. Jake breaks down the six-part framework behind Own’s $2.1B sale to Salesforce, why “control your destiny” matters, how CFOs should think about IPO readiness, board communication, share price theater, and why great finance leaders operate beyond the spreadsheet.

    SPONSORS:
    Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj
    EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups
    SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj
    Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics
    Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run
    RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com

    LINKS: 
    Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN
    Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jake-kornreich/
    Company: https://www.colabsoftware.com/
    CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
    Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com
    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 Preview and Intro
    2:20 First stock
    3:28 Benefits of going public today
    5:42 Come-up: chief of staff to CFO
    6:31 Running HR like a sales org
    8:32 Control your destiny
    9:24 Synergies with Salesforce
    10:09 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound
    13:10 Do your own ROI due diligence
    14:40 Share price equals entertainment
    16:26 Disciplined execution
    17:45 Performance, not stories
    19:24 Activist investors and the acquirer's board
    20:13 Write the memo for the other side
    20:45 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev
    24:02 Triangulate your way to success
    25:18 Your board takes snapshots, you run the movie
    26:21 Knowing when to sell
    27:16 Valuation limits your exit options
    27:38 Stakeholder comms during the acquisition
    29:58 CFO as operator, not just function
    31:31 What is CoLab?
    32:09 Why Jake joined post-Series C
    33:50 Personal product market fit for CFOs
    35:27 Lightning round
    35:42 Screwed up: $5M budget error
    36:17 Advice to younger self
    36:41 Finance software stack
    37:34 Culture of expense discipline
    38:22 Credits
  • Run the Numbers

    SoundCloud CFO Dan Bettes on Marketplace Liquidity, Music, and Forecasting

    15/06/2026 | 40 min
    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ sits down with Dan Bettes, CFO of SoundCloud, at the New York Stock Exchange. Dan breaks down how SoundCloud operates as a two-sided music marketplace, how he thinks about liquidity between fans and creators, and why great finance leaders need to make forecasting feel owned by the business

    SPONSORS:
    Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run
    RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com
    Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj
    EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups
    SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj
    Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics

    LINKS: 
    Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN
    Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danielbettes/
    Company: https://soundcloud.com/
    CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
    Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 Preview and Intro
    2:17 First stock: a Vanguard index fund
    3:13 Most memorable IPO: Groupon
    4:54 Benefits of going public have changed
    5:47 SoundCloud and the music industry
    7:21 Three eras: physical, streaming, creator platform
    8:49 Streaming unbundled the album
    10:03 Artists don't need labels anymore
    11:40 Sponsors — Aleph | RightRev | Rillet
    15:00 SoundCloud's two-sided business model
    16:23 Touring replaced the album
    17:17 First metric every morning: net adds
    18:31 DAU vs. MAU: it's a funnel
    19:14 Viral moments and exogenous pops
    20:10 LTV and the subscription funnel
    21:38 Sponsors — EY | SpendHound | Brex
    24:35 Tops-down vs. bottoms-up: reconcile both
    26:21 Revenue is an output
    27:45 Handling forecast deviation
    29:24 How often to reforecast
    30:23 The final boss: indirect cash flow statement
    33:09 Cash vs. EBITDA fluency
    35:04 Plain English and the power of reps
    36:52 Tailor the message to the audience
    37:45 Lightning round
    37:45 Screwed up: miscounted corn at a banquet
    38:41 Lean into discomfort
    39:55 Craziest expense: a post-flight massage
    40:17 Credits
  • Run the Numbers

    Bending Spoons S1: How Italy's Software Acquirer Built a $20B Empire From the Discount Rack

    11/06/2026 | 35 min
    In this episode of Run the Numbers, CJ breaks down Bending Spoons’ F-1 filing and the acquisition machine behind AOL, Evernote, Vimeo, Eventbrite, and more. He unpacks the company’s playbook: buy under-optimized digital businesses, transform operations, raise prices, reinvest earnings, and repeat — while asking the core question: how much was built, and how much was bought?

    SPONSORS:
    RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com
    Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj
    EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups
    SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj
    Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics
    Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run

    LINKS: 
    Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN
    CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
    Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 What is Bending Spoons?
    1:03 The Internet's attic: the portfolio
    3:11 The metrics rundown
    5:44 Revenue: $1.3B, 95% growth
    6:04 82% of growth was bought, not built
    6:29 Gross margin: 66%
    6:50 Subscription mix and NRR
    7:33 Net income: basically zero
    8:00 Cash: $741M, debt: $4.4B
    8:35 Revenue per employee: $2.57M
    9:39 Sponsors — RightRev | Rillet | EY
    12:42 Organic growth is mostly price hikes
    13:50 A house of adjustments
    14:54 Add-backs bigger than the profit
    15:22 The reorganization line: cost of firing
    19:21 Sponsors — SpendHound | Brex | Aleph
    22:51 Does the playbook actually work?
    23:07 Evernote: the proof point
    23:45 Romini: the growth proof point
    24:10 AI in three directions at once
    25:45 The debt engine
    27:50 Red flag 1: material accounting weaknesses
    28:38 Red flag 2: pro forma numbers come with a confession
    29:00 Red flag 3: App Store dependency
    29:11 Red flag 4: no long-term contracts
    29:30 Red flag 5: foreign private issuer
    29:52 Red flag 6: they've never sold anything
    30:19 Cap table and board
    31:07 Valuation: 14–18x
    33:00 Bull vs. bear case
    33:55 Miscellaneous: the S1 is already stale
    35:25 Credits
  • Run the Numbers

    Vercel's CFO Marten Abrahamsen: Move Fast or Fall Behind

    08/06/2026 | 53 min
    CJ Gustafson sits down with Marten Abrahamsen, CFO of Vercel, at the NYSE to talk about running finance inside a hypergrowth AI company. They cover AI use cases in finance, rev rec, forecasting, KPI dashboards, PLG, consumption pricing, and Marten’s “speeding tickets vs. parking tickets” framework for moving fast without losing control.

    SPONSORS:
    Brex is an intelligent finance platform with AI-powered agents that capture expenses automatically, enforce policy before the spend happens, and close your books in minutes instead of weeks. 35,000+ companies like OpenAI, Coinbase, Anthropic, and DoorDash already run on Brex. It's time to get Brex AF. Learn more at https://www.brex.com/metrics
    Aleph is a modern FP&A platform built for teams that want more than another planning tool. By connecting your ERP, CRM, and other systems into one trusted data layer with AI workflows, Aleph helps you move faster with real-time insights. Get a personalized demo at https://www.getaleph.com/run
    RightRev is an automated revenue recognition platform that lets your product team ship new pricing without asking finance for permission, and your sales team close deals without creating downstream chaos. Check out their free tool at calculator.rightrev.com It scores your rev rec process, shows what's exposing you to risk, and tells you exactly where to focus before it bites you in the rear end. Check it out at https://calculator.rightrev.com
    Rillet is an AI-native ERP built for modern finance teams that want to replace NetSuite and close faster. With revenue recognition, close management, multi-entity support, and native Stripe and Salesforce integrations, Rillet helps scaling companies run their finance stack in one place. Hundreds of teams, including Windsurf and Mercor, use Rillet to make the zero-day close real. Book a demo at https://www.rillet.com/cj
    EY has been part of Silicon Valley since it was just a valley, helping the most successful names in tech go from startup to exit to megacap. With teams across strategy, tax, audit, and transactions, EY helps you get your financials right early, long before your investors start asking for it. You build the next big thing, and EY will help you build it right. Learn more at https://www.ey.com/techstartups
    SpendHound cuts your SaaS and AI spend by up to 30% using real pricing benchmarks across 10,000 vendors, so you always know what fair pricing looks like before your next renewal. Rated #1 on G2 in SaaS spend management, it's free forever for teams up to 1,000 employees. Sign up by June 12th and get $500 just for getting started. Go to https://www.spendhound.com/cj

    LINKS: 
    Mostly Talent: https://mostlymetrics.typeform.com/to/cLTxtAsN
    Guest: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martenabrahamsen/
    Company: http://vercel.com/
    CJ: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cj-gustafson-13140948/
    Mostly metrics: https://www.mostlymetrics.com

    TIMESTAMPS:
    0:00 Speeding tickets vs. parking tickets
    3:21 Visa IPO in the financial crisis
    5:09 Going public has changed
    6:45 Private market: 22–24 trillion
    9:03 More or fewer public companies?
    9:48 Sponsors — Brex | Aleph | RightRev
    13:04 KPI dashboard on your phone
    14:12 Revenue flux via Slack and Notion
    15:37 RevRec tool: green, yellow, red
    17:56 V0 is a job requirement
    19:43 Speeding tickets vs. parking tickets
    20:33 Sponsors — Rillet | EY | SpendHound
    23:49 Very few one-way doors
    25:02 Finance in hypergrowth
    25:39 Three-scenario planning
    27:00 Honest with the board
    31:00 PLG + consumption at Vercel
    33:32 What Marten checks every morning
    34:03 Why RPO doesn't work here
    35:36 Holiday usage is up
    37:10 ICP shifted to solo developer
    39:22 Capital allocation in a fast market
    41:32 Growth compounds; margin can't
    43:22 SaaS gross margins: spicy take
    44:24 Cash-burning AI: 2026 vs. 2021
    47:29 Are some hypergrowth cos destroying value?
    50:00 Lightning round
    50:11 Bank of Ireland mix-up
    51:10 Don't punt problems forward
    52:04 Finance software stack
    52:38 Expensed an oven
    53:12 Credits
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Run the Numbers is a business podcast about financial metrics and business models for CFOs, aspiring CFOs, finance leaders, and ambitious people operating tech startups. Hosted by CJ Gustafson, CFO and writer of Mostly Metrics, the show shares lessons, frameworks, and operator insights from the trenches as a tech exec. Think of it as a playbook for the things CJ wishes he knew earlier in his career, covering SaaS metrics, annual budgeting, forecasting, headcount, equity, dilution, fundraising, and the decisions that drive performance and growth.
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