RiskReversal Pod

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami welcome Morgan Stanley’s Chief U.S. Equity Strategist Mike Wilson back to the Risk Reversal Podcast to discuss his career at the firm and his current market outlook. Wilson argues markets have largely priced in bad news and likely put in the year’s lows near the 6,500 range, citing capitulation signals, positioning, and sentiment, though geopolitical risk from the Iran conflict remains. He sees earnings strength and broadening beyond the “Mag Seven,” with opportunities in small caps, consumer discretionary, financials, and industrials, while noting AI-driven hyperscalers became cheaper and can still work. Key risks include bond volatility and a loss of control of long-end rates amid heavy refinancing needs and a Fed leadership transition. They also cover AI CapEx returns, energy constraints, U.S.-China competition, private credit’s limited systemic threat, consumer affordability issues, and Wilson’s 7,800 S&P 500 target within 9 to 12 months.

Show Notes

Earnings Insight (FactSet)

China’s surging chip tool imports from south-east Asia (FT)

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami discuss major tech themes and trades, focusing on dispersion in mega-cap tech and the recent underperformance and rebounds of the “Mag 7.” They examine Microsoft’s AI positioning and Azure deceleration amid ongoing capacity and power constraints, contrasted with rivals (AWS, Oracle, GCP) picking up demand tied to OpenAI. The conversation highlights Michael Burry’s view that software-stock declines have been amplified by software credit stress and may be overextended, with Oracle as a key example given its steep drawdown and elevated CDS. They also cover Apple’s AI strategy, reliance on Gemini, WWDC expectations to improve Siri, and key technical levels amid headline sensitivity. Finally, they assess Intel’s sharp rally tied to a reworked CHIPS deal and Nvidia involvement, and preview Netflix earnings with a mixed technical setup and potential upside.

Show Notes

Trading Post Monday April 13th (Cassandra Unchained)

Top of the Morning (Axios)

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami discuss a volatile Friday session after a hotter-than-expected CPI, with software making multi-year lows while semiconductors push to highs, raising the idea that “something’s gotta give.” They point to Microsoft’s sharp drawdown as emblematic of software weakness and debate whether capitulation is near as earnings approach, while semis rally on incremental AI hardware headlines like Broadcom’s TPU-related deal with Google and Anthropic. They consider a 2026 “trade” of bottom-fishing battered software and fading crowded semis, flagging Intel’s rich valuation and Qualcomm’s lagging performance despite an edge-AI/inference narrative. They also note security stocks selling off despite rising AI-driven vulnerability concerns, warn that any hyperscaler CapEx pullback could hit semis hard, and preview bank earnings amid mixed signals on consumer credit, deregulation/IPO optimism, and cyclical risk, alongside geopolitics affecting oil and Taiwan.

Articles Mentioned

Why the ‘SaaSpocalypse’ doomsayers are wrong (FT)

Anthropic Model Scare Sparks Urgent Bessent, Powell Warning to Bank CEOs (Bloomberg)

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Guy Adami welcomes Liz Ann Sonders, Chief Investment Strategist at Charles Schwab, for a wide-ranging conversation on the state of modern markets. From the casino-like trading environment that has taken hold in recent weeks, to the deeper cultural forces driving younger investors toward speculation, Liz Ann brings clarity and perspective to some of the most pressing questions in finance today. They also explore behavioral biases, the value of staying disciplined through volatility, and what financial media should be saying but isn't.

Show Notes

Gambler's Blues: Betting Isn't Investing (Schwab.com)

Follow Liz on Twitter: https://x.com/LizAnnSonders

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Dan Nathan and Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management discuss tech stocks heading into Q1 earnings, focusing on why Google and Broadcom outperformed on news of an Anthropic compute deal using Google TPUs and Broadcom, which they view as validating accelerating AI demand. They explore investor anxiety around AI hardware multiples and hyperscaler CapEx, noting street expectations for calendar 2027 spending growth and how that affects Nvidia and Broadcom sentiment, while arguing AI remains early despite massive costs. Munster outlines Deepwater’s view that premium “high-end” tokens may not commoditize as quickly as costs fall, citing their machine-driven Intelligent Alpha (GPT) ETF. They explain why they don’t own Microsoft, pointing to seat-growth concerns and disappointment with Copilot, and discuss Apple’s need for an AI narrative shift, including privacy-focused personalized AI. Munster previews his SpaceX views, saying it doesn’t need to go public but IPOs can broaden access and lower capital costs, and they consider whether a SpaceX listing impacts Tesla positioning.

Show Notes

Read Ben Thompson's Stratechery

OpenAI CEO and CFO Diverge on IPO Timing (The Information)

Gene's Piece on SpaceX (X)

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