RiskReversal Pod

Dan Nathan and Gene Munster of Deepwater Asset Management discuss tech stocks heading into Q1 earnings, focusing on why Google and Broadcom outperformed on news of an Anthropic compute deal using Google TPUs and Broadcom, which they view as validating accelerating AI demand. They explore investor anxiety around AI hardware multiples and hyperscaler CapEx, noting street expectations for calendar 2027 spending growth and how that affects Nvidia and Broadcom sentiment, while arguing AI remains early despite massive costs. Munster outlines Deepwater’s view that premium “high-end” tokens may not commoditize as quickly as costs fall, citing their machine-driven Intelligent Alpha (GPT) ETF. They explain why they don’t own Microsoft, pointing to seat-growth concerns and disappointment with Copilot, and discuss Apple’s need for an AI narrative shift, including privacy-focused personalized AI. Munster previews his SpaceX views, saying it doesn’t need to go public but IPOs can broaden access and lower capital costs, and they consider whether a SpaceX listing impacts Tesla positioning.

Show Notes

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OpenAI CEO and CFO Diverge on IPO Timing (The Information)

Gene's Piece on SpaceX (X)

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The IPO floodgates are opening — and AI is driving the wave.

Dan Nathan sits down with CNBC anchor and tech columnist Deirdre Bosa to break down the biggest stories in tech right now: SpaceX's confidential IPO filing, the Anthropic vs. OpenAI battle for investor dollars, Apple's strange standoff with the vibe coding generation, and why the AI trade has been a dud in public markets even as private valuations soar.

Then, Dan talks with Michael Manapat, Co-Founder and CEO of Rowspace — the AI-native financial data platform that just raised $50M in a Sequoia-led round. Michael breaks down why private equity and private credit firms can't afford to sit on the sidelines anymore, how Rowspace is deploying agents across every layer of their business, and what it really means to be "AI-native" in 2026.

Two conversations. One throughline: the money is moving, the window is open, and the firms that don't adapt are already behind.

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Danny Moses returns to the Risk Reversal Podcast with a stark warning: the tools that bailed us out in 2008 and COVID won't work this time. With U.S. debt surging from $35.5T to $39T in just 18 months, Danny explains why the Fed is boxed in, why small businesses are drowning in economic scar tissue, and why crude oil hitting 4-year highs while stocks shrug should have everyone paying attention. Plus — his one genuinely bullish conviction play in a market that's making optimism very hard to find.

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Dan Nathan hosts CNBC’s Morgan Brennan on the RiskReversal Podcast to discuss her path from music and anthropology to Forbes during the 2009 crisis and then CNBC, and how breaking news—an on-pad SpaceX explosion in 2016 and later Trump’s defense-focused tweets—pulled her into covering space and defense tech. They explore NASA’s Artemis program and its refocus on beating China to the moon, arguing public-private partnerships, new contracting models, and rocket reusability have dramatically improved economics, enabling smaller firms to execute NASA missions at a fraction of past costs. The conversation covers how space and defense investing is shaped by demand signals, milestone-driven public comps, venture and private-equity capital, and a potential SpaceX IPO where Starlink’s recurring revenue is central, alongside Starship’s promise. They also discuss deconsolidation, dual-use tech, autonomous systems, changing Pentagon dealmaking, and the growing intersection of industrial policy, national security, supply chains, and resources.

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Dan Nathan hosts Joe Armao, fund manager of the Galaxy FinTech Fund, who recounts his path from Blackstone through the financial crisis to long/short investing at Senator, where he pushed into fintech and digital assets. They discuss a shift from recent market tailwinds to a more mixed macro backdrop, consumer resilience despite energy shock concerns, and a rotation-driven, choppier “stock picker’s market.” Armao outlines risks in private credit and gating, expects pockets of pain rather than systemic crisis, and emphasizes active balance-sheet work. On crypto, he describes Galaxy’s “great convergence” thesis: prices may lag even as blockchain infrastructure adoption accelerates via stablecoins, tokenization, and 24/7 rails for payments and trading. He explains DeFi concepts, Uniswap governance tokens, Hyperliquid’s revenue-driven token buybacks and leveraged perps, and why tokenizing blue-chip equities could expand global distribution and enable always-on markets. Armao argues AI and blockchain are now mission-critical to fintech investing and create dispersion suited to long/short strategies.
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