Mail Unleashed with Rory Sutherland

Want to find out why mail can hold the attention of consumers?  
 
In this episode, host Rory Sutherland welcomes Media expert and The Barber Shop founder, Dino Myers-Lamptey, into the studio to share how mail can ramp up creativity and draw out dwell time to make brands stand out. 
 
Highlights from this episode include:  
 
Dino’s experience with direct mail  
The importance of physical media in an increasingly digital world 
The role of mail in helping the consumer on their journey to making a significant spending decision 
Why post-attention matters in marketing 
 
Listen in and find out which audiences are more likely to respond to mail over digital communications.  
 
00:00 Intro  
00:41 Welcome to Dino – Why the name “The Barber Shop”?  
02:16 Dino’s career journey with direct mail in marketing 
05:26: Dino and Rory discuss the need for physical media in a digital-led world 
07:23 What’s the role of mail in complex customer decision making processes? 
10:03 The power of printed catalogues  
12:26 Post attention: Why long-lasting impressions matter  
15:32 Rory argues why direct mail can help you target the right audience 
16:44 Dino’s experience creating mail campaigns for charities  
18:16 Want to find effective mail examples? Look at what’s coming through your door 
19:47 Outro  
 
Dino Myers-Lamptey is the Founder of The Barber Shop and a strategic leader with over 17 years’ in media. His expertise spans communications strategy, digital planning, direct-to-consumer subscription marketing, and ROMI performance.  
Dino has held senior roles at MullenLowe, the7stars, Mediacom, and more, launching standout campaigns and challenger brands. 
 
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In a world littered with noise, why does a simple piece of mail still get the most attention? In our next Mail Unleashed episode, Head of Brand Marketing at Hiscox, Ed Birth is here to reveal how selling insurance doesn't have to be about fear. 
 
He’s joined Rory Sutherland to discuss:  

The surprising power of humour in creativity in the insurance sector. 
How mail’s ‘body language’ builds trust. 
How mail helps you gain a huge share of voice.  
Why a single piece of mail can get 132 seconds of attention. 
 
Plus, they share why fun beats fear in marketing.  
 
00:00 Intro  
00:41 Welcome to Ed – his journey from agency marketing to Head of Brand Marketing at Hiscox  
02:48 How Hiscox’s marketing strategy differs from other insurance companies 
06:44 The antidote to fear - The importance humour in creativity when bringing risks to life  
07:51 Ed shares an example of fun and disruptive direct mail from Hiscox – the wine-stained letter 
10:41 How the tangibility of direct mail helped Hiscox build trust, boost customer satisfaction and strengthen brand identity  
17:38 Mail makes you 1 of 1. How mail grabs attention and your share of voice 
21:56 Why multimedia campaigns are more effective than single channel campaigns 
23:57 Outro  
 
Ed Birth is Head of Brand Marketing at Hiscox. With experience at The Gate London and Audacity, he brings expertise across advertising, integrated and digital marketing. Ed is passionate about creative, trust-building brand strategy. 
 
 
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If mail is distinctive, does it become more memorable?

Richard Shotton, behavioural scientist and author of The Choice Factory, and Rory Sutherland, get under the skin and into the minds of consumers.  

Together, they explain: 

Techniques brands can use to become more memorable 
The value of costly signalling 
How mail’s physicality can enhance engagement and attention  
Why Christian Aid Week’s mail campaign was a success 

Plus, they discuss fascinating behavioural studies that explain how people react to mail, what that means for brands and, most importantly, why. 
 
00:00 Intro  
00:41 Welcome to Richard  
1:43 How long has Richard been an expert of direct mail?  
03:06 Generations by Bobby Duffy – the relationship between Gen Z and direct mail 
04:03: Richard explains why surprising requests are more noticeable 
05:34 Why mail’s physicality can enhance engagement and build trust 
09:32 Richard’s example of successful direct mail – Christian Aid Week 
12:15 Outro 
 
Richard is the founder of Astroten and author of The Choice Factory and The Illusion of Choice, which is a best-selling book available in 16 languages.  

He specialises in applying behavioural science to marketing for brands like Google, BrewDog and Santander. He also co-hosts the podcast Behavioural Science for Brands. 
 
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In a world of rising digital scams, why does a simple piece of mail still reassure banking customers? 
 
Chief Marketing Officer at NatWest, Margaret Jobling, joins Rory Sutherland for this episode of Mail Unleashed to talk about the power of mail in the financial services.  
 
Throughout this episode, they discuss:  
NatWest’s sponsorship of Team GB at the Paris Olympics 
Why 71% of people trust physical mail 
Real data that shows mail outperforms email in response rates 
How mail still reassures customers in a world of rising digital scams 
 
Plus, they explore why mail is such an important touchpoint in banking, and how it helps you target the right moments.  
 
00:00 Intro  
00:41 Welcome to Margaret  
01:25 Margaret talks through NatWest’s sponsorship of Team GB at the Paris Olympics  
03:27 Direct mail’s role in building trust and authenticity in the financial services 
05:32 Physical mail helps you target the right moment & how it has helped NatWest achieve long-term marketing impact  
09:51 In a world of rising digital scams, mail can offer reassurance for banking customers 
11:14 Why multiple touchpoints are important for NatWest and why mail is one of them 
12:53 Data that shows campaigns with mail are more likely to show ROI benefits 
15:42 Margaret’s experience with mail at Centrica and NatWest: how mail had the best response rates   
18:46 Gen Z are more responsive to physical mail than you'd think 
20:46 Outro 
 
Margaret Jobling is Chief Marketing Officer at NatWest Group. She is an experienced FTSE 100 business leader with a strong record in consumer goods and utilities.  
 
She specialises in customer experience, marketing transformation, consumer products, and insight-driven decision-making. Known for her strategic leadership and for driving measurable results, she consistently delivers impactful, customer-focused change across complex organisations. 
 
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Want to find out how mail can add value to a campaign and target your consumers?  

Ogilvy One’s former Head of Strategy, Kate Wheaton, joins Rory Sutherland on this Mail Unleashed episode, to share how mail has helped contribute to their success over the years.  

Together, they discuss: 
What makes mail a unique and irreplaceable part of the marketing mix 
Kate’s career journey from a small telemarketing & direct mail agency to Ogilvy One 
Why direct mail can build brand trust and grab attention 
How mail has earned its place in the mix in an increasingly digital world 
 
To find out what the future holds for this effective media channel, listen to the full episode.  

00:00 Intro  
00:41 Kate’s marketing journey from a telemarketing and direct mail agency to the Tesco Clubcard 
02:06 Why a customer perspective is so important when choosing the right marketing medium 
03:27 Kate’s examples of effective direct mail - Lloyds Bank & ME+EM 
06:05 The relationship between mail and brand trust – The Change for Life campaign 
09:06 Has marketing got an efficiency and cost cutting problem?  
11:10 Outro 
 
Kate Wheaton is the former Head of Strategy at Ogilvy One, with a career spanning some of the UK’s most successful loyalty programmes.  

She’s worked with leading brands like Tesco, Sainsbury’s, Boots, and BA, blending strategic rigour with creativity to build modern loyalty experiences that drive engagement, retention, and long-term brand love. 
 
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