That UFO Podcast

In this episode, I’m joined once again by Avi Loeb, Harvard astrophysicist, head of the Galileo Project, and author of Extraterrestrial and Interstellar.We dive deep into 3I/ATLAS, the third known interstellar object ever detected, and why it has sparked intense scientific interest and public debate. Avi explains the unusual features of this object, including its anti-tail, orbital alignment, and chemical signatures, and why these anomalies deserve serious scrutiny.We also discuss the CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response to records about 3I/ATLAS, the idea of black swan events, criticism of narrow SETI searches, and why institutional risk-aversion may be holding science back.This conversation explores interstellar visitors, scientific curiosity, stigma, and what discovering extraterrestrial technology would mean for humanity’s future.Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8https://avi-loeb.medium.com/🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy

At the start of 2026, the UFO disclosure conversation appears more fractured than ever. Andy is joined by journalist and Psicoactivo podcast host Pavel to break down David Grusch’s recent comments on The Age of Disclosure, his criticism of senior intelligence figures, and the growing divide within the disclosure movement itself. From insider testimony and documentary narratives to experiencers, biologics, and public readiness, this episode explores where disclosure stands and where it may be heading next.Check out Pavel's work - https://allmylinks.com/pavelanchePatreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy

In Part 2, the conversation moves from history into consequences.Andy and Ryan examine how UFO skepticism evolved from scientific caution into something far more strategic. They explore radar interference theories, early claims of recovered craft, and whether figures like Donald Menzel knowingly participated in long-term counterintelligence efforts.The discussion expands into modern UFO debates, including skepticism versus debunking, the treatment of eyewitness testimony, belief systems, and why the burden of proof in UFO research remains uniquely high.This episode asks a difficult question: if skepticism was shaped by intelligence needs decades ago, are we still arguing inside rules that were set long before we knew they existed?Check out Ryan's work - https://unquestionably.substack.com/Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy

In this breaking news update, Andy covers a series of major developments shaping the UFO and UAP conversation as 2026 begins.The episode opens with the surprise appearance of a new book listing from Luis Elizondo. Titled Reckoning: The Unspoken Truth about UFOs and the Urgency of Now, the book has quietly appeared on publisher and retail sites with an expected 2026 release. Andy reads and analyses the full publisher blurb, discusses timing, positioning, and why this release matters coming from a former Pentagon insider.Attention then turns to David Grusch and his recent high-profile interview on The Megyn Kelly Show. Andy breaks down Grusch’s comments on crash retrievals, legacy programs, misinformation campaigns, deep-state dynamics, and why Grusch appearing publicly now may be significant.The episode also covers:Congressional frustration over denied oversightClaims involving former intelligence leadershipOnline tensions within the disclosure communityThe CIA’s “neither confirm nor deny” response regarding the interstellar object ‘Oumuamua / AtlasReactions from Avi Loeb, ahead of Andy’s upcoming interview with himReflections on Chris Bledsoe’s appearance on American AlchemyUpdates on potential upcoming press events and documentariesA wide-ranging but grounded look at what’s happening, why it matters, and what may come next.Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy

You can order my book here - https://geni.us/AtlasOfUFOsUFO skepticism didn’t begin with social media or YouTube debunkers.In Part 1 of this conversation, Andy is joined by researcher and writer Ryan Purkey to explore the early life and career of Donald H. Menzel, a Harvard astronomer, naval intelligence officer, and one of the most influential figures in shaping how UFOs would be publicly dismissed.This episode traces Menzel’s rise through academia, his World War II work in cryptography and radar, and how those skills placed him at the heart of Cold War intelligence at the exact moment UFOs entered the public consciousness.From early crash recovery timelines to the foundations of organised skepticism, Part 1 sets the historical groundwork for understanding why the UFO topic looks the way it does today.Check out Ryan's work - https://unquestionably.substack.com/Patreon offer - https://www.patreon.com/thatufopodcast?coupon=4B0B8🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join🛸 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast🛸 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397🛸 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: https://youtube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcastEmail: [email protected] links: https://linktr.ee/ufouapamOfficial Website: https://ThatUFOPodcast.com👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review, it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy