Stories Lived. Stories Told.

Today, Parveen and Abbie discuss systemic leadership and the usefulness of Coordinated Management of Meaning for systemic psychotherapists, along with many metaphors for conceptualizing generative communication in relationships. 
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Parveen Kaur is a Family & Systemic Psychotherapist/Systemic Supervisor with 20 years of experience in a range of settings, including NHS CAMHS, Third Sector Charities work with couples, relational therapy with female offenders in probation services, 5-10 year old children in schools, inpatient and community eating disorders services.
Parveen serves as the Head of Systemic Training at Birmingham & Solihull Mental Health NHS Foundation Trust overseeing Post Graduate foundation, Intermediate, MSC and Advanced Supervision diploma accredited by AFSP and MSC validated by University of Birmingham.
She is the current Elected Chair of The Association For Family & Systemic Psychotherapy in the UK- the professional membership body for systemic Family Therapists/ practitioners. Parveen also has a monthly slot on Sky TV’s PBC Punjabi Broadcast Channel 768 raising awareness of mental health for the Punjabi community.
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Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter.
Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution.
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Music for Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created by Rik Spann.
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What does it mean to 'play the scene you are in'?
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Today, Abbie and Kelly dig deep into Kelly's story of working and learning at The Second City.
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Kelly Leonard began his Second City career in 1988, eventually becoming producer of Second City in 1992 and Executive Vice President through 2015. He has produced hundreds of original revues with talent such as Stephen Colbert, Tina Fey, Keegan Michael Key, Seth Meyers and Amy Poehler. His book, “Yes, And,” received rave reviews in Vanity Fair and the Washington Post. He co-leads a new partnership with Booth School at the University of Chicago that studies behavioral science through the lens of improvisation. He is a popular speaker, appearing at Aspen Ideas Festival, Chicago Ideas Week and TEDxBroadway and hosts the Second City Works/WGN Podcast “Getting to Yes, And.” 
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Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter.
Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution.
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Music for Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created by Rik Spann.
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What does it mean to perform "the person you are" as well as "the person you are not"?
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Today, Abbie, Cathy, and Sarah discuss the difference between play, improvisation, and performance and the role that each can have in our personal and collective growth.
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Cathy Rose Salit is an executive coach, improviser, jazz vocalist, and play activist. She founded The Global Play Brigade, an online community across 100 countries providing free workshops, technical and network support to grassroots activists utilizing play and performance. As founder/CEO Emerita of the leadership consultancy Performance of a Lifetime, she led the growth of the company for over 23 years, working with thousands of leaders and teams in top brand companies. Cathy is the author of Performance Breakthrough: A Radical Approach to Success at Work, and her work has been featured in the Harvard Business Review, Forbes, and the Wall Street Journal. She’s been active as a grassroots organizer since she was a teenager; building alternative schools, social therapy centers, independent political campaigns, the East Side Institute and Performing the World and the Applied Improv Network. Cathy lives in St. James, NY and performs at venues including The Jazz Loft and Science Plays Festivals and Madiran The Wine Bar.
Sarah Filman (she/they) is a leadership coach, facilitator, and improviser who uses play as a catalyst for human development. As founder of Playful Perspectives and volunteer with Global Play Brigade, Sarah designs experiences where leaders reconnect with possibility, teams navigate conflict with curiosity, and strangers across continents discover what emerges when they yes-and each other. Drawing on nearly two decades of leadership experience in tech and education (Code.org, Microsoft), Sarah brings strategic thinking and a playful spirit to supporting growth at individual, team, and community levels. Their "Soft Skills for Hard Conversations" workshop series was funded by Boston's Office of Arts and Culture. 
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Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter.
Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution.
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Music for Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created by Rik Spann.
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Listen to Part 1 of this conversation on The Systemic Way Podcast.
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Today, Abbie, Sezer, and Julie talk untold stories, systemic thinking and practice, and the podcast conversations that live on in each of their lives. 
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Sezer and Julie are the co-hosts of The Systemic Way Podcast.
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Learn about the CMM Conference here.
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Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter.
Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution.
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Music for Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created by Rik Spann.
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Welcome to the ASC Presidents Podcast!
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Today, Abbie is joined by some past (and future!) presidents of the American Society for Cybernetics  to discuss the past (and future!) of the ASC Organization and the field of Cybernetics.
These conversations were recorded onsite in Ouro Preto, Minas Gerais, Brazil, at the 2026 ASC Conference in August 2026. 
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Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created, produced & hosted by Abbie VanMeter.
Stories Lived. Stories Told. is an initiative of the CMM Institute for Personal and Social Evolution.
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Music for Stories Lived. Stories Told. is created by Rik Spann.
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