Deviate

"I think you have to pick your battles when you're collaborating with people." – Kim Krizan

Kim Krizan (@kimkrizan) is the Oscar-nominated cowriter of the Before Sunrise movies, and the author of Spy in the House of Anaïs Nin.

Notable Links:

Kim Krizan on the philosophy of Before Sunrise (YouTube video)

Screenwriting in Paris class, with Kim Krizan (creative writing class)

Paris Writing Workshops (summer learning-vacation classes)

Before Sunrise (1995 movie)

Ethan Hawke (American actor and director)

Julie Delpy (French actress and director)

Richard Linklater (American filmmaker)

Slacker (1990 film)

Dazed and Confused (1993 film)

Anaïs Nin (French-American diarist and novelist)

Reality Bites (1994 movie)

Robin Wright (American actress)

Lili Taylor (American actress)

The Prater (public park in Vienna)

Waking Life (2001 film)

Forrest Mallard editing and marketing services

Kansas Never Plays Itself (video essay by Rolf Potts)

“I wish I loved sports, and particularly football, a lot less than I do. It consumes too much of my memory and too much of my time.” – Chuck Klosterman

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf talks about why he's talking to Chuck Klosterman's former roommate Michael Weinreb about Chuck's book Football, rather than Chuck himself (2:00); football-themed video games, and the difference between emotional and analytical sports fandom (7:00); Pico Iyer's appearance in the movie Marty Supreme, how podcasting has changed the landscape, and how streaming video has become the standard way to watch even high school football (17:00); why going to football games in person is a "pagan" experience of games that is completely different than watching them on TV, and how there's a travel parallel in experiencing distant places in person (24:00); how important the season and the weather is to the experience of football at both the experiential and metaphorical level (32:00); what might become of football, and why it persists as the object of fandom even by people who've never played it (39:00).

Michael Weinreb (@MichaelWeinreb) is the author of three sports books, including Game of Kings; Bigger Than the Game; and  Season of Saturdays. He has been a contributing writer for ESPN, The New York Times, Grantland, Rolling Stone, The Athletic, and The Ringer. His Substack newsletter is called Throwbacks: A Newsletter About Sports History and Culture.

Notable Links:

Kicking & Screaming might be the best movie ever (Deviate episode)

Back to Penn State (2011 This American Life episode)

Chuck Klosterman (author and essayist)

Fargo Rock City, by Chuck Klosterman (2001 book)

EA Sports College Football (video game)

Super Bowl LV (game the Chiefs lost to the Buccaneers)

Super Bowl LIX (game the Chiefs lost to the Eagles)

A travel writers’ Super Bowl special (Deviate episode)

Pico Iyer (travel writer and novelist)

Marty Supreme (2025 sports comedy-drama film)

Chick Hearn (Los Angeles Lakers announcer)

Wesley Morris on Deviate

Bill Simmons (American sportswriter and cultural critic)

Football History Deep Dive (Bill Simmons Podcast episode)

2025 Kansas 1A football championship (high school game video)

“In teaching us to appreciate rather than accumulate – to seek awe rather than outcomes – travel can be an ongoing exercise in gratitude.” – Rolf Potts

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf remixes his interview from the All the Hacks podcast, with Chris Hutchins. They discuss the concept of “Time Wealth,” how it can be actualized through travel, and how it can dovetail with your family and life goals (2:00); what kinds of travel-oriented experiences and attitudes and rituals can help you frame and identify your values and life-goals (10:30); how kids can be a window into new places as a traveler, and why slowing down and "seeing less" helps you experience more on the road (27:00); the limitations of planning your travels around a "Bucket List," and the merits of taking a travel attitude to your home environment (35:30); how to pack when traveling light, and how to use technology wisely on the road (45:30).

Chris Hutchins (Instagram: @chrishutchins) is an avid optimizer and host of a top-ranked podcast, where he shares his quest to upgrade his life without having to spend a fortune.

Notable Links:

The Vagabond's Way, by Rolf Potts (books)

Kevin Kelly (editor and futurist)

Lyft (ride-hailing service)

Die With Zero, by Bill Perkins (book)

Carrefour (French convenience store)

Zamalek (area of Cairo, Egypt)

An Egyptian straight-razor shave in 21 easy steps (video)

Jackfruit (food)

Raclette (Swiss dish)

Père Lachaise (cemetery in Paris)

Frank Alamo (French singer)

Paris Writing Workshops (Rolf's writing classes)

Canton (town in Mississippi)

Lindsborg, Kansas ("Little Sweden")

Zacatecas (state in Mexico)

No Baggage Challenge (Rolf's 2010 no-luggage trip)

AirTreks (round-the-world and multi-stop flight planner)

Flâneur (urban wanderer)

The Deviate theme music comes from the title track of Cedar Van Tassel’s 2017 album Lumber.

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In this feature-length video essay that explores the role places play in storytelling, Rolf examines how Kansas -- his home state -- has been imagined, distorted, and mythologized in cinema and television for more than a century.

Blending archival film clips, historical analysis, and deeply personal narration, Kansas Never Plays Itself traces how cinematic shorthand shapes our collective imagination. The video essay invites viewers to reconsider what it means for a location to “play itself” — and what’s lost when the real landscapes and communities behind our most beloved stories remain unseen.

Sneak preview of the video essay is online here.

Chapters:

0:00 - Intro: Not in Kansas Any More

Movies and TV shows mentioned: The Wizard of Oz (1939); Showdown at Abilene (1956); Gunsmoke (1955-1975); Dances with Wolves (1990); Kansas (1995); Capote (2005); The English (2022).

2:00 - Part 1: No Place Like Home (or, Hollywood can’t tell the truth about places)

Movies and TV shows mentioned: Suits (2011); Law & Order: SVU (2006); Elementary (2019); The Affair (2014); Slumber (2017); Vancouver Never Plays Itself (2015); Los Angeles Plays Itself (2003); Panic in the Streets (1950); Wichita (1955); Stark: Mirror Image (1986); Seinfeld (1992); Planes, Trains and Automobiles (1987); The Ice Harvest (2005); The Beach (2000); Mutiny on the Bounty (1962); Brigadoon (1954); Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (1989); Star Wars: A New Hope (1977); Game of Thrones (2012); The Game Camera (2025).

15:05 - Part 2: Why Place Matters (or, The Wizard of Oz and Superman might be a little bit racist)

Movies and TV shows mentioned: The Wiz (1978); The Wizard of Oz (1933); The Wizard of Oz (1925); The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1910); Oz the Great and Powerful (2013); Wicked (2024); Smallville (2001); Superman IV: The Quest For Peace (1987); Man of Steel (2013); The Music Man (1962); Meet Me in St. Louis (1944); Gone with the Wind (1939); Swing (1938); Birthright (1939); Lying Lips (1939); Shaft (1971); The Learning Tree (1969); Oscar Micheaux documentary (2021); Adventures of Superman (1952–1958); Superman (1978).

32:25 - Part 3: Why Location Matters (or, How movies lie when depicting places

Movies and TV shows mentioned: Office Space (1999); Swingers (1996); Little Shop of Horrors (1986); Avatar (2009); The Matrix (1999); The Breakfast Club (1985); Ferris Bueller’s Day Off (1986); Splendor in the Grass (1961); Picnic (1955); Stand by Me (1986); Kansas (1988); Paper Moon (1973); In Cold Blood (1967); In Cold Blood TV miniseries (1996); Capote (2005); Infamous (2006); Smoke Signals (1998); Geronimo (1962); Navajo Joe (1966); Masterson of Kansas (1954); Buffalo Dance (1894); Last of the Renegades (1964); “Keep America Beautiful” PSA (1971); In the Land of the Headhunters (1914); Among the Cannibal Isles of the South Pacific (1918); The Rider (2017); Reservation Dogs (2021-2023).

54:15 - Part 4: Why Kansas Matters (hint: it’s because all places matter)
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“I’m interested in writing because I don’t want to sleepwalk through life. I feel like we have an appallingly brief time on earth, and we’re here to see and understand and do as much good as we can before we’re gone.” –Anthony Doerr

In this episode of Deviate, Rolf and Anthony talk about how the pace of travel changes the experience of travel, and what it’s like to travel as a writer (2:45); how to manage the local and the global, the specific and the universal, the concrete and the speculative, in one’s writing (12:30); how the idea of “home” influences one’s craft as a writer who travels (23:00); common mistakes writers make when writing about places and cultures they don’t know well, and humiliating travel (and book-tour) experiences (31:00).

Anthony Doerr is a novelist and essayist, and short story writer. His 2014 novel All the Light We Cannot See won the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction, and was made into a Netflix miniseries in 2023.

Books and authors mentioned:

Four Seasons in Rome, by Anthony Doerr (book)

The Vagabond’s Way, by Rolf Potts (book)

Daniel Woodrell (novelist)

Aimee Nezhukumatathil (poet and essayist)

Benjamin Percy (author, essayist and comic book writer)

Paul Theroux (travel writer and novelist)

Bob Shacochis (novelist and literary journalist)

Peter Hessler (travel writer and journalist)

Tony D’Souza (novelist)

Marco Polo Didn’t Go There, by Rolf Potts (book)

Travels in Alaska, by John Muir (book)

Lolita, by Vladimir Nabokov (book)

Joseph Conrad (Polish-British novelist)

Wade Davis (Canadian author and anthropologist)

Jared Diamond (author and historian)

Gina Ochsner (novelist and short story writer)

Other links:

Downton Abbey (British historical drama TV series)

“My Beirut Hostage Crisis,” by Rolf Potts (travel essay)

“The Hunter’s Wife,” by Anthony Doerr (short story)

“Querencia,” by Suzannah Lessard (New Yorker article)

Querencia (Spanish mystical concept)

Jardin des Plantes (botanical garden in Paris)

Corsac fox (steppe fox found in Mongolia)

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