The Dave Chang Show

Dave is joined by Jacob Soboroff, MS Now senior correspondent and author of the book 'Firestorm.'

Dave makes a lettuce cup dish that takes Jacob back to his past, and then they discuss the Los Angeles fires, which are the subject of Jacob's new book, as well as his personal experiences having grown up in the area.

They finish with a MOIF comparing Los Angeles and New York in myriad ways.

Get your copy of Firestorm by Jacob Soboroff: https://bookshop.org/p/books/firestorm-the-great-los-angeles-fires-and-america-s-new-age-of-disaster-jacob-soboroff/bd30f244fafba214 

Check out Jacob Soboroff on social media: https://www.instagram.com/jacobsoboroff 

Get your copy of Separated by Jacob Soboroff: https://bookshop.org/p/books/separated-inside-an-american-tragedy-jacob-soboroff/392f1a291b04f998?ean=9780062992208&next=t 

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Learn more about the film 'Separated': https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33029968/ 

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Learn more about JPL: https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/ 

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Jacob Soboroff

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Michael Berger, Elizabeth Styles

Sound Engineer: Kevin Cureghian

Editor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave makes tteokbokki, a classic and delicious Korean street food, three different ways. He talks about the genius of how the dish is served, how gnocchi may have opened a pathway to tteok acceptance in America, and his love for soft-chewy texture, with hopes it might someday be as beloved by American diners as it is by him. He also answers an Ask Dave about his "broke chef" days.

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Host: Dave ChangMajordomo Media Producer: David MeyerSpotify Producer: Felipe GuilherminoAdditional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado, Dan McCoy, Molly O'Keefe, Michael BergerSound Engineer: Kevin CureghianEditor: Jake Loskutoff
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Dave makes one of his favorite dishes, one he is still trying to truly taste: a plain bowl of white rice. He talks about trying to train his palate to tune out all of the noise, with plain white rice serving as his guide. Dave also asks whether the Michelin Guide, the world, or even he himself is learning and listening enough to decree what is good and worth rewarding.Who would have thought we could get so deep from plain white rice? And that's exactly the point.Learn more about Elkano: https://www.restauranteelkano.com/Learn more about Sugita: https://www.theworlds50best.com/discovery/Establishments/Japan/Tokyo/Sugita.htmlRead 'Pachinko' by Min Jin Lee: https://bookshop.org/p/books/pachinko-national-book-award-finalist-min-jin-lee/d6ef3fcf56d5a91eLearn more about Zojirushi rice cookers: https://store.zojirushi.com/collections/rice-cookers?srsltid=AfmBOorxDmevQ4M8n5qP8GXobWRAC3ACAM1yAStY-uwY_T9Yovec3cPGLearn more about Cuckoo rice cookers: https://cuckooamerica.com/collections/rice-cookers?srsltid=AfmBOoqGfIxRhKwQYiq9Z5rf2Q1iRdcpLCPwL0a22pYKn4kjEAau92_ILearn more about Providence: https://providencela.com/Listen to Dave's Moth talk where he talks about Michelin stars: https://themoth.org/radio-hour/eaten-adventures-in-foodLearn more about Alinea: https://www.alinearestaurant.com/Learn more about Masa: https://www.masanyc.com/Learn more about the Inn at Little Washington: https://www.theinnatlittlewashington.com/Read 'The Perfectionist: Life and Death in Haute Cuisine': https://amzn.to/4jullPH

Host: Dave Chang

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Dave is joined by friend of the podcast Noelle, partner at Majordomo Media, as he cooks her a meaningful dish that she did not know he was going to make. They talk about Paris (related to the dish), changes in the global dining scene, and some necessary improvements on the rules of sharing food.

Watch the last episode Noelle was featured on: https://open.spotify.com/episode/33aFBsLNTYouk1GewCjRtS?si=eeO8xpG_Qem4f_BGGssfTA

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Watch our recent episode with Jordan Salcito: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Iwkif3izDWltyYjFR2zPq?si=FvbcD9DZS2WezgG588W1pA

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Host: Dave Chang

Guest: Noelle Cornelio

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff, Nikola Stanjevich, Michael Delgado

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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Dave cooks a deceivingly simple dish that he had years ago, as served by Chef Mark Ladner. Dave relays that this sugar snap pea dish really impacted himself and his future. He also talks seasonality of ingredients, maturing beyond knowing what you can do into deciding what you should do, and modern art.

Listen to our podcast episode with Mark Ladner: https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-dave-chang-show/2025/10/02/innovation-in-tradition-and-a-pre-reopening-diaries-with-mark-ladnerLearn more about Babbo: https://babbonyc.com/Learn more about Craft: https://www.craftrestaurant.com/Watch DamNation: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3345206/Learn more about Momofuku Noodle Bar: https://www.momofukunoodlebar.com/Listen to ‘Kid A’ by Radiohead: https://open.spotify.com/album/6GjwtEZcfenmOf6l18N7T7?si=L2ELnIaUQ1ydMAeKPMkCkQListen to ‘Blonde on Blonde’ by Bob Dylan: https://open.spotify.com/album/4NP1rhnsPdYpnyJP0p0k0L?si=6jz9XRsoT72plusIf7tXPA

Host: Dave Chang

Majordomo Media Producer: David Meyer

Majordomo Media Coordinator: Molly O’Keeffe 

Spotify Producer: Felipe Guilhermino

Additional Crew: Jake Loskutoff

Editor: Stefano Sanchez
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