With The Perrys

Nobody “deconstructs” from Christianity in a day. Deconstruction is not an immediate decision but a process in which someone questions, dissects and assesses what they believe. But what some people are calling deconstruction is actually heresy and false teaching. There’s a thoughtful and Biblical way to evaluate your faith, so let’s talk about it.

Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr. joins the Perrys to discuss the seven reasons people deconstruct, the importance of critical thinking and apologetics, and the compassion required for walking with someone who is deconstructing.

Connect with Pastor Jerome Gay, Jr.

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https://jeromegayjr.com/

Check out Pastor Jerome’s book, “Church Hurt: Holding the Church Accountable and Helping Hurt People Heal” – https://www.amazon.com/Church-Hurt-Holding-Accountable-Helping/dp/1952602548

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Scripture References:

Romans 3:15

Romans 1:22

1 John 4:7-8

John 14:15

1 Corinthians 6:18

Matthew 16:24

Ephesians 6

Exodus 21:16

Genesis 3

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From public scandals to private betrayals that never make the news, experiencing the failure of a leader is both heartbreaking and disorienting. When someone leads a church community or is esteemed as a hero, the fallout of their failure is felt even more. 

Lisa Fields joins Jackie and Preston for an honest conversation about leadership betrayal. They discuss what healthy admiration looks like, how to navigate the grief of failed leadership without becoming cynical, and why restoration doesn't always mean a return to the platform.

Scripture References:


John 21


1 John 3


Galatians 6:1

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Check out “When Heroes Fall: Healing from the Aftermath of Sin” – https://www.amazon.com/When-Heroes-Fall-Healing-Aftermath/dp/0593603109 

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Lisa’s last conversation on With The Perrys, “How to Wrestle With God” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTKOItm3Wo

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Earlier this month, Jackie found herself at the center of a Threads post that generated a whole lot of conversation. It got her and Preston thinking about the opposition we face as Christians because of a worldview that is confusing to unbelievers.

NOTE: For most of us, the persecution we face is social in nature – that’s different from persecution others face around the world when they risk their lives professing Christ.

As Christians, we’re not supposed to defend ourselves. We’re supposed to preach the gospel and leverage opposition as an opportunity to point others to Jesus. Jackie and Preston discuss a helpful framework for approaching unbelievers, why it’s important to lead with compassion, and the reason why both prayer and patience are required for those conversations.

Scripture References:


2 Corinthians 4:4-6


1 Peter 3:15-16


Nehemiah 4:17–18

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A stronghold is an untruth that has lodged itself in our brains and keeps out the knowledge of God. Shame can be a stronghold if we are believing something that is literally not the truth – about God, ourselves, or others. So really, shame and the gospel can’t co-exist peacefully. You could even say that shame is anti-gospel. 

Jackie and Preston discuss how the gospel – the good news that we are forgiven – exposes lies and replaces them with the truth we find in God’s word. We’ve got to meditate on the gospel, read the Bible more than we think about ourselves, and be aware of the way we are helping to remove (or unconsciously adding to) shame in other people’s lives. 

Scripture References:


Genesis 3:7


Hebrews 12:2

"The Soul of Shame: Retelling the Stories We Believe About Ourselves" by Curt Thompson: https://www.amazon.com/dp/0830844333/

Video from Dan Allender, "The Fall" – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNLFNIfHqLE

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We all go through seasons where we have little desire for God. We don’t really want to pray, and reading our Bible doesn’t sound exciting.Being honest about not wanting God isn’t unbelief, but it may uncover areas of our life where we’re believing a lie or not dealing with sin. There are so many things in life that compete for our affections, but God will meet us in our insufficiency and invites us to go deeper in our faith.

Preston mentions John’s Piper’s book, “Desiring God” - https://www.amazon.com/Desiring-God-Meditations-Christian-Hedonist/dp/1433595974

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