With The Perrys

Pain changes us, and it can make us bitter before it makes us resilient. We can also become more attached to our pain than to our Savior, and that’s idolatry.

Toni Collier joins the Perrys to talk about what bitterness looks like and what it means to reckon with our suffering instead of running from it. Toni and Preston discuss their individual experiences with ADHD and how their brains uniquely process trauma and pain. Toni unpacks her experience with EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy and how it creates the space to process through hard things. Toni, Jackie and Preston together point to the fact that healing is a communal project – healing requires bringing our suffering to the Lord and to safe people in our lives.

Connect with Toni

instagram.com/tonijcollier

www.youtube.com/@tonijcollier

www.tonijcollier.com

www.amazon.com/stores/author/B0B1QZ47L2

Check out two seasons of Unshakeable Moxie, a FREE video series from Our Daily Bread, co-hosted by Toni Collier:

www.odbm.org/en/media/unshakable-moxie

Scripture references:

Judges 4

Ruth 1:20

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Y’all love a “storytime” episode and it’s been a while since the Perrys recorded one.

The Perrys cover a wide range of topics, from legalism and the idea of “sinless perfection” to stories about identity, “hood” dynamics, and pretending to be someone you’re not.

Jackie and Preston discuss the theology of justification and sanctification as they remember meeting someone during a stop on a poetry tour who claimed he had not sinned in 10 years.

Then you’ll hear some high-school Jackie stories – like the time she was a fake gang member on her old Black Planet page – plus Preston’s recollection of the time he got robbed in Nigeria for multiple hours.

It’s a funny one – enjoy.

Scripture references:

Romans 7:13-20, 23-24

Romans 7:5

1 Corinthians 1:2

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We hear a lot about people experiencing “father wounds” but what about those who carry heartache, anger or sorrow because of a wounding mother?

When Dr. Sarita Lyons joined Jackie for the Glory Conference in 2023, an attendee asked about navigating difficult relationships with mothers. Feeling burdened by the Holy Spirit after that interaction and many conversations that followed it, Dr. Sarita has written a book to help people grieve honestly and heal deeply.

Jackie, Preston and Dr. Sarita Lyons discuss what it means to honor your mother while still acknowledging the ways you’ve been hurt. They explore the difference between godly sorrow and condemnation, what it looks like to hold truth and grace together, and how the Gospel offers hope for wholeness.

Check out “Honor Thy Mother: How to Grieve, Heal, and Make Peace with Your Mother Wounds” – www.saritalyons.com/honor-thy-mother-book

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www.instagram.com/drsaritalyons

Honor Thy Mother Conference in October – saritalyons.com/honorthymotherconference

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People say, “We’re more divided than ever before,” but are we okay with that, or are we going to do something about it? Are we normalizing division and disrespecting God by not prioritizing something He does?

Jackie and Preston are joined by Pricelis Perreaux-Dominguez for a conversation on fighting for unity in the church. Unity does not mean erasing differences to have complete uniformity – that can lead to tribalism, idolatry, and ultimately dehumanization. The church has to be willing to lean into discomfort for the sake of unity in the Body of Christ, and that’s going to require us to actively pursue proximity, curiosity, humility, and honest conversations.

Check out “False Peace: How to Reject the Lie of Sameness, Embrace Difference, and Embody True Unity” – https://www.amazon.com/False-Peace-Sameness-Embrace-Difference/dp/1587436701

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Scripture references:

Ephesians 4:1-3

Acts 1-12 (stories of the early church)

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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.

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We have to think about what we’re thinking about. Go back and read that again.

Our thought life as Christ followers matters. It’s important we remain vigilant to identify and uproot the lies we’re believing, and to do that continually in community with the power of the Holy Spirit.

This is part two of a conversation on the battlefield of the mind. If you missed The Work of Mind Renewal, go back and watch on YouTube or listen on your platform of choice: https://youtu.be/n2nHa8_mSzQ

Scripture references:

Romans 8:5-9, 11

Ephesians 1:17-20

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With The Perrys is a podcast where biblical truth meets honest conversation. Join Preston Perry and Jackie Hill Perry as they discuss theology, relationships, parenting, culture, and the everyday realities of following Jesus. With humor, transparency, and a deep commitment to Scripture, each episode aims to point listeners back to Christ, deepen their understanding of God's Word, and encourage faithful obedience in every area of life.

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