Mamamia Out Loud

Is having a crush the secret to a happy relationship, or the gateway drug to a ruinous affair? We can’t agree. Meanwhile, comedian Nikki Glaser says that sexual cheating is a turn-on and emotional cheating is a no-no. Who’s right, who’s deluded, and who should just be single, according to Emily Vernem?
Plus, enthusiasm for hobbies is at an-all time high, but why does it feel like men get all the good ones, while women get the leftovers of leisure? Holly Wainwright talks about her life-changing gardening habit, but acknowledges it’s first to go when life gets busy. So what’s an untouchable 'Sovereign Hobby', and how do we get one?
And, there is an unofficial list of things women do to look like they have their shit together, and it involves everything from keeping whites white, to having enough coathangers, to knowing what stock is. Clare Stephens just wishes she could remember the snacks.
TV RECCOS SPECIAL
Clare’s watching: DTF St. Louis on HBO Max. A dark, nonlinear comedy about a love triangle, a dating app for married people, and David Harbour being incredibly likable.
Holly’s watching: Riot Women on SBS. Created by Happy Valley’s Sally Wainwright, it’s a brilliant look at five middle-aged women who decide to form a punk band.
Em’s watching: Margo’s Got Money Troubles on Apple TV. Starring Elle Fanning, Michelle Pfeiffer, and Nick Offerman, it’s the story of a college dropout navigating new motherhood and mounting bills.
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What To Listen To Next:
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Listen: A Podcast Feud & Hanging Out With Prince Harry
Listen: She's Back! Mia Confronts Rival Anne Stephens On 'Nana Rules'
Listen: Quick Question: Why Are You So Annoying?
Listen: 'The Chatbot History That Ruined My Relationship’
Listen: Mia & Amelia On The Cheating Drama Everyone’s Talking About
Listen: The Hollywood Star Who Hates Everyone
Listen: Mia & Anne Stephens: A Nana Leaderboard
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What to read:
Elle Fanning's brilliant new TV show is smart, sincere and occasionally sexy.
Put away your oversized blazer. This is what stylish women are wearing in 2026.
Nikki Glaser met her boyfriend on set in 2013. They've broken up five times since.
'Old-school hobbies are back. These 6 to try with your kids will convert you.'
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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So the ‘royal tour that isn’t’ is in full swing and we have an insider call from Melbourne. Our friend Amy Clark was hanging out with Harry at a men's mental health event this morning, and tells us everything, including which Australian celebrities upstaged the Duke/Prince. But as Harry and Meghan’s itinerary unfurls, Holly Wainwright asks: Is it ballsy or cheeky to be pulling off exactly the kind of tour once reserved for active, working royals?
Plus, as Susan Coyle becomes Australia’s first female Army Chief, the celebrations are almost being drowned out by the sexist trolling. The swampy internet discourse feels gutting for every woman who has ever worked her way to the top only to be met with a chorus of 'DEI hire'. Amelia Lester is unpacking: Should women just ignore the trolling these wins attract, or does that leave us living in a fake reality?
And, 'hey, girl'. Clare Stephens has researched to PhD level the 'Alex vs. Alix' podcast feud. We’ve got Alex Cooper (the Call Her Daddy mogul) and Alix Earle (the Hot Mess creator) throwing passive-aggressive shade over TikTok about 'fake drama' and 'rock bottom' content. Is it a manufactured publicity stunt for an upcoming interview? Or is there genuine jealousy over a Super Bowl commercial and (gosh) Adam Sandler cameos?
Meanwhile, over in Scurrilous Gossip, JLo is reportedly hooking up with Ted Lasso’s Roy Kent (aka Brett Goldstein), and we are invested. Apparently, he's the 'best kisser' she’s ever worked with, which is quite the claim. But is it real?
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: She's Back! Mia Confronts Rival Anne Stephens On 'Nana Rules'
Listen: Quick Question: Why Are You So Annoying?
Listen: 'The Chatbot History That Ruined My Relationship’
Listen: Mia & Amelia On The Cheating Drama Everyone’s Talking About
Listen: The Hollywood Star Who Hates Everyone
Listen: Mia & Anne Stephens: A Nana Leaderboard
Listen: The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to see.
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What to read:
Last time Harry and Meghan were here, it changed everything. This time, they're hoping the same.
Alix and Alex are fighting again.
It's easy to dismiss her, but you should know about the cult of Alex Cooper.
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It’s Harry and Meghan week in Australia, and we’re hoping for some big news in Jam World. A lot has changed since the last time they were here and Clare Stephens waited outside the Opera House to touch Prince Harry’s hand. So what can we expect from the royal-not-royal tour?
Bieberchella has broken the internet and healed a lot of Millennial hearts. Between a $10 million pay check and a setlist that involved Justin dueting with his childhood self, Em Vernem is asking: Is this a profound moment of healing, or just a very expensive therapy session we were all forced to watch?
In other business, Melania Trump decided that this chaotic moment in world affairs was the right moment to make an unprompted address about her "friendship" with Jeffrey Epstein.
And Lena Dunham is releasing a memoir reflecting on fast fame. Her honesty about what peak spotlight did to her coupled with one of the world’s most profitable writers finally revealing her identity, Holly Wainwright is asking: If you could make the art and the money without the fame, why on earth would you choose to be known?
Oh, and as the Federal Government launches a campaign telling us all to do our bit for a potential fuel crisis, are you guilty of pantry-maxxing?
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to the Out Loud episode Holly mentions where they talk abotu Lena Denham here: Are We Done Being Bitchy About Lena Dunham?

Listen to our latest episode: 'The Chatbot History That Ruined My Relationship’

Listen: The Hollywood Star Who Hates Everyone
Listen: The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Ready To Tell Her Twin Birth Story
Listen: The Co-stars Refusing To Fake It & The Hell Of Organised Fun
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Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
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You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to watch.

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
Before you criticise Justin Bieber's Coachella performance, here's the point everyone's missing.
Did you grow up in a 'communal towel' or 'dictator towel' family? It says a lot about you.
A brutally honest review of Lena Dunham's new Netflix rom-com Too Much.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The one number that says absolutely everything about you.
'The "blurred lip" trend is everywhere. But I'm going to say what no one else will.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Social Producer: Gemma Donohoe
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
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You click on a link on your partner’s computer and all their unspoken doubts unspool: You have too many cats. You’re ‘fragile’. And then there’s that 'attraction problem'. This is what happened in the viral story we’re unpacking from writer Lindsey Hall about reading her boyfriend’s ChatGPT thread. So, asks Clare, who betrayed who here? And what would you have done?
Also, is having a 'Signature' everything — from a drink to a restaurant to a gift to an outfit — a genius life hack, or just an excuse for us lazy girls?"
Plus, science has apparently discovered the exact dance moves that make a man 'sexy' to women, and Hamish & Andy have been putting it to the test. While an avatar might have the moves, Holly insists no man is actually a good dancer unless he’s Harry Styles or Bad Bunny.
And, Em tells us about the lipstick we’re all meant to be wearing right now, and, crucially, where we should put it.
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Recommendations
Em: Wants you to go and see The Drama at the cinema — a 'grey area' film starring Zendaya and Robert Pattinson.
Clare: The Off Duty podcast (Season 5), specifically the 'Birth Keepers' investigation into the 'Free Birth Society' and the dangers of medical misinformation.
Holly: The book The Hiding Place by Kate Mildenhall, plus the return of Last One Laughing UK on Amazon Prime.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: The Hollywood Star Who Hates Everyone
Listen: The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You
Listen: A Lil' Treat: Jessie’s Ready To Tell Her Twin Birth Story
Listen: The Co-stars Refusing To Fake It & The Hell Of Organised Fun
Listen: Ghost Stories, Celebrity Facelifts & The Real iPad Babies
Listen: Mia's Babble: The Very Best Bit About Bum Checks
Listen: The Great Petrol Panic & Royal Reality TV Rumours
Listen: Polyamory, Cheating & The Marriage No One Wants To Believe
Listen: An Unhinged List Of Rules No One Asked For
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to watch.

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
'I thought my daughter and I were close. Then I found out who she was really opening up to.'
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The one number that says absolutely everything about you.
'The "blurred lip" trend is everywhere. But I'm going to say what no one else will.'
'5 things I've bought (and worn on repeat) as a fashion editor on a budget.'
'One moment during the Super Bowl halftime show brought me to tears.'
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
CREDITS:
Hosts: Holly Wainwright, Clare Stephens & Emily Vernem
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
Social Producer: Gemma Donohoe
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Will it be on June 13? Are the people already camping out at a particular Rhode Island resort? Will we even SEE any photos, or will they do a Tom-and-Zendaya? Yes, the Taylor Swift-Travis Kelce wedding frenzy is building and Clare Stephens is sifting through the data to decide whether anyone, at all, knows what they’re talking about.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump is back to saying things that make us want to hide under our beds, but Amelia Lester’s found the perfect antidote to the chaos: 'Competency porn'. Whether it's the awe-inducing precision of the Artemis II astronauts or a nurse who is really, really good at their job, there is nothing more comforting right now than watching someone be genuinely competent at what they do. We’re asking: When the world feels like a dumpster fire, is watching collective brilliance the way to stay sane?
Also, Succession star Brian Cox spent his weekend unloading some very unfiltered (and very unflattering) opinions on everyone from Margot Robbie to Johnny Depp. Holly Wainwright noticed that while Brian is being celebrated for his 'tell-it-like-it-is' attitude, women just… don’t do it.
In other business, we're diving into the 'chicken ick'. That sudden, soul-crushing moment where you can no longer look at a poultry breast without gagging.
And finally, Savannah Guthrie, an unimaginable loss and the quiet bravery of going back to work.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Mia & Anne Stephens: A Nana Leaderboard
Listen: Even More Random Things We Deem Offensive
Listen: The One Number That Says Absolutely Everything About You
Listen: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Good Point
Listen: The Co-stars Refusing To Fake It & The Hell Of Organised Fun
Listen: The 7 Controversies Of This Year's Biggest Movie
Listen: The Three Questions You Should Ask On A First Date
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
You can now watch our show in full length video on the Apple Podcast app - make sure your phone is up to date and we can't wait for you to watch.

Mamamia Out Loud on Apple
What to read:
All the Taylor Swift wedding rumours, ranked from likely to absolutely not
The one thing that makes Taylor Swift's new music video unlike anything she's done before.
Okay, someone needs to do a welfare check on Dr Robby.
HOLLY WAINWRIGHT: The one number that says absolutely everything about you.
THE END BITS:
Check out our merch at MamamiaOutLoud.com
GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]
Share your story, feedback, or dilemma! Send us a voice message.
Join our Facebook group Mamamia Outlouders to talk about the show.
Follow us on Instagram @mamamiaoutloud and on Tiktok @mamamiaoutloud
Mamamia acknowledges the Traditional Owners of the Land on which we have recorded this podcast.
Become a Mamamia subscriber: https://www.mamamia.com.au/subscribe
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.