Mamamia Out Loud

Mia is late to the party. Despite “Let Them” being (one of) her Words Of The Year last year, she is finally listening to the Mel Robbins audio book — and she has thoughts.
In this episode, Mia and Amelia unpack the complicated art of female friendships. From the 'scatterings' of marriage and kids to the isolation of running a business, is the secret to staying connected actually just... loosening your grip?
But, while Mia is feeling a “massive unclenching”, Amelia is asking whether 'let them' is just a fancy way of being a passive friend?
Plus, the '3-Word Rule' that might actually save your friendship.
What To Listen To Next:
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Listen to our latest episode: A Reluctant Pregnancy Announcement On Live TV
Listen: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Listen: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
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What to read:
The 'let them' theory has changed more than 2 million people's lives.
The 'let them' theory changed 2 million people's lives. The 'who says' theory is the easy alternative.
'I tried the "Let Them Theory" on my kids... Here's what happened.'
'I asked my friends to give me a performance review. They said, "No".'
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This morning we got a great example of a sensitive, complicated pregnancy announcement in a surprising place. Today Show host Sarah Abo and her offsider, one Karl Stefanovic, shared stories of miscarriage and fertility struggles that you just would not have heard on mainstream morning telly a few years back. So we’re unpacking the politics of public pregnancy news in 2026.
Plus, Gwyneth Paltrow is selling her stuff and we want to bid. Meghan Markle is coming to do a fancy retreat in Australia and we want to go. And Kyle Sandilands says he did nothing wrong and we want to know what’s really going on over at ARN.
And, Gen Z men are more likely to believe a wife should "obey" her husband than their fathers ever were. It’s a grim stat, but Amelia, Holly and Clare have some suggestions about how to make equal partnerships more appealing to young men, including something called “choreplay”.
Plus, the world’s most popular p*rn site has officially blocked Australia. Of course, just like the men in your life, none of us would know anything about that.
Also, we have an update on the seven Iranian soccer players granted asylum on our shores.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana
Listen: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
'Australia's been blocked from Pornhub. As a sex expert, I think we're getting this wrong.'
The one demand that Gwyneth Paltrow made as a child that surprised her mother.
Everyone's watching Jackie O's next move. Enter Meghan Markle.
Five Iranian footballers risked everything on the Gold Coast. Australia just stepped in.
'This is devastating.' Kyle Sandilands just issued a statement on his KIIS exit and Jackie O fallout.
'The one question I wish people would stop asking me about my baby.'
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Outlouders, enjoy this free taster of Mia Freedman on today's subscriber episode. Listen to the full conversation — Mia's Diary Note: What I Didn't Expect About Being A Nana — at 5 pm TODAY. What do you mean, you're not a subscriber yet? Solve that problem HERE.
Mia Freedman has had quite a week, and today she's behind the mic unpacking it all. Today's subscriber episode is her complete, unfiltered diary entry.
Remember, this is your free sample of today's subs episode. The full debrief drops for subscribers at 5pm.
What To Listen To Next:
Listen to Compass on ABC iview: https://iview.abc.net.au/show/compass
Listen to our latest episode: Beckham, Meghan & Jessie's Hospital Voice Note
Listen: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
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What to read:
JESSIE STEPHENS: On being pregnant with twins. As a twin. With twin brothers.
'My Omi lived every day with her best friends by her side. Even on that Sunday in Bondi.'
'One month on from the Bondi attack, there's one lesson we're all forgetting.'
'As Australia pauses to mourn Bondi, I am still struggling to process it.'
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The Iranian women’s team has been in Australia playing in the AFC Asian Cup and displaying extraordinary bravery in the face of significant pressure from their home country’s regime. Why have they been criticised and what might happen next?
Plus, the Kyle and Jackie O “divorce” has entered its ‘it’s complicated’ era, and Jackie is finally setting the record straight on those quitting stories. There are reports her next gig might have something to do with Meghan Markle, with the Duchess heading to Sydney for some high-profile speaking gigs which are definitely not a royal tour. But hold on, last time Meghan was here, didn’t she hate it?
In other business, Daryl Hannah is calling out the "crazy ex-girlfriend" trope in the new JFK Jr. series, Love Story, and it’s making us rethink our weekend binge-watch. And David and Victoria Beckham are posting "earnest" birthday tributes to Brooklyn, completely ignoring his legal threats to leave him blocked. Is this a sweet parental olive branch, or does someone need to confiscate Vicky’s phone?
And Timothée Chalamet might have just lost himself an Oscar and it’s Harry Styles week all over the world. It’s unlikely those things are related but you never do know.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: How To Talk To Absolutely Anyone
Listen: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
SUBSCRIBE here: Support independent women's media
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube
What to read:
From Kate Moss to the park fight: 6 wild things in Love Story that actually happened.
Timothée Chalamet, Taylor Swift, and the age of the ego.
'I did not quit.' Jackie O just shared an update on leaving KIIS radio show with Kyle Sandilands.
The latest Beckham update is just deeply sad.
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Mascara is over. Yes, it’s joined side parts as beauty cringe, according to the ghost lashes trend that Em Vernem has embraced. We’re unpacking: Are bare eyes cool or do they leave some of us looking like 'elderly babies'?
Plus, the fear of public speaking has morphed into something else: the fear of speaking in public, full stop. So why is small talk dying, and does it matter? We’re asking: Is a quick chat about the weather actually the secret to a happier life?
And, meet the internet’s new favorite literal girlboss — a 13-year-old skincare CEO who edits her COO mom’s 'cringe' captions. While Em feels like a failure by comparison, Holly Wainwright is fascinated by the 'corporatisation of kids' and brand-building curriculums. But is it smart? In an AI world, has 'building a business' become more important than actually knowing things?
In other business, Clare Stephens wants to know why the word 'matrescence' isn't in the dictionary yet?
And, of course, recommendations:
Holly recommends The Walkers podcast by Tortoise Media & The Observer — a wild investigation into the author of The Salt Path.
Emily recommends the book Half His Age by Jennette McCurdy.
Clare recommends Hometown Boys, a six-part investigative podcast from ABC’s Background Briefing.
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What To Listen To Next:
Listen to our latest episode: Mia Enters The 'Working Mums' Chat
Listen: Inside The Fight That Ended Kyle & Jackie O
Listen: Love Story Part 2: Jackie O, The Kennedys & That Fight Scene
Listen: Uninvited Princesses & The Dating Story We're Yearning For
Listen: The Next Top Model Reckoning & Jessie's Very Honest Handover
Listen: Oh Sh*t. We Let Creeps Decide Our Beauty Standards
Listen: "I'm A Working Mum & I Just Want To Quit"
Listen: Prince William Has Entered The Chat
Connect your subscription to Apple Podcasts
Discover more Mamamia Podcasts here including the very latest episode of Parenting Out Loud, the parenting podcast for people who don't listen to... parenting podcasts.
Watch Australia's #1 podcast, Mamamia Out Loud:
Mamamia Out Loud on YouTube
What to read:
'I thought I was bad at small talk. Turns out, I was doing it wrong.'
'After having my daughter, motherhood was not what I thought it would be. Then I discovered matrescence.'
'For the first 5 years of motherhood, I thought something was wrong. Then I discovered matrescence.'
If your teen's skincare stash is growing, here's what to keep (and what to toss).
THE END BITS:
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GET IN TOUCH:
Feedback? We’re listening. Send us an email at [email protected]
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CREDITS:
Hosts: Emily Vernem, Clare Stephens & Holly Wainwright
Group Executive Producer: Ruth Devine
Executive Producer: Sasha Tannock
Audio Producer: Leah Porges
Video Producer: Josh Green
Junior Content Producer: Tessa Kotowicz
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