The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrow

"If you could have a system that could build anything with code, humans can't compete on the same level. That's narrow superintelligence, and we're close."

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Logan Kilpatrick, who spent years at OpenAI working alongside Sam Altman before moving to Google DeepMind as Group Product Manager. 

They get into:
There will be 100x more developers in the world because of AI
AGI will be a product, not a model
The way you used AI tools three months ago is already wrong
What's actually changing inside the Gemini team and why it matters for developers building with it today

The developers who win won't be the ones who mastered today's tools. They'll be the ones who never stopped learning the new ones.

Building AI-native? AI DevCon is coming to London, 1st and 2nd June 2026: https://tessl.io/devcon/

Connect with us here:
Simon Maple: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
Logan Kilpatrick: https://www.linkedin.com/in/logankilpatrick/
Google DeepMind: https://www.linkedin.com/company/googledeepmind/
Tessl: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/?originalSubdomain=uk
Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjh

Ask us questions: [email protected]

When did writing code stop being the job and start being the hobby?

One hundred episodes in, Guy Podjarny and Simon Maple pull the clips, check the predictions, and trace the through line across conversations with guests from Datadog, ElevenLabs, GitHub, and more.

They get into:
The move from spec-driven to context-driven development
Why humans become the bottleneck in code review
What changes when agents run the SDLC end-to-end
Adoption across orgs vs depth of actual usage

Thanks to every guest and every listener who made this possible. On to the next hundred.

Want to have these conversations in person? AI DevCon is coming to London on 1st and 2nd June, 2026.

Book your tickets here - https://tessl.io/devcon/

Connect with us here: 
Guy Podjarny- https://www.linkedin.com/in/guypo/
Simon Maple- https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
Tessl- https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
AI Native Dev- https://www.linkedin.com/showcase/ai-native-dev/
Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjh

Ask us questions: [email protected]

Meta’s Llama might not actually be open source AI, and the developers building on it have no idea.

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Simon Maple sits down with Amanda Brock, CEO of OpenUK, to break down what open source actually means in the age of AI and why most of the industry is getting it wrong.

They get into:
what open washing is and why it is happening across major models right now
how DeepSeek built a frontier model for $5 million instead of $100 million
why Chinese developers are already on Kimi and the west is sleeping on it
what the west needs to learn from China's open source strategy before it is too late

Eight companies already control the world's digital infrastructure. We cannot let that happen again with AI.

Connect with us here:
Simon Maple: https://www.linkedin.com/in/simonmaple/
Amanda Brock: https://www.linkedin.com/in/amandabrocktech/
OpenUK: https://www.linkedin.com/company/openuktechnology/?originalSubdomain=uk
Tessl: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjh

Ask us questions: [email protected]

An agent cannot read your website. And that needs to change.

In this episode of AI Native Dev, Guy Podjarny sits down with Maximiliano Firtman, 30-year web developer and author of 14 books, to talk about what building for the web looks like when traffic comes from agents and humans both.

They get into:
why AI agents taking screenshots of your website is inefficient and expensive
what Web MCP is and how it gives agents a direct API into your website
how a 200MB Apple model running offline is opening up a whole new category of web apps
why every vibe coded app is a web app and what that means for the future of the web

Your next visitor might not be human. Are you ready for that?

Connect with us here: 
Maximiliano Firtman: https://www.linkedin.com/in/firtman/?locale=es
Guy Podjarny: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/guypo
Tessl: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjh

Ask us questions: [email protected]

"The code that we have is a liability. The system is the asset we're building."

Chad Fowler, VC at Blue Yard Capital and former CTO at Wunderlist, sits down with Guy Podjarny to discuss the Phoenix Architecture: software designed to be replaced rather than maintained.

In this episode:
• why was the code written by Chad never longer than a page
• how he replaced 70% of a codebase in 3 months and cut costs by 75%
• shipping AI code no human ever reviewed, and how to make it safe
• the shadow specs your agents are making without you
• why your system should work with the worst LLM, not just the best

If you're still thinking about your codebase the old way, this one will change that.

Connect with us here: 
Chad Fowler: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fowlerchad/
Blue Yard Capital: https://www.linkedin.com/company/blueyard-capital/
Guy Podjarny: https://uk.linkedin.com/in/guypo
Tessl: https://www.linkedin.com/company/tesslio/
Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjh

Ask us questions: [email protected]