Pound 4 Pound with Kamaru Usman & Henry Cejudo

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Ali Abdelaziz joins Kamaru and Henry to talk Usman Nurmagomedov’s free agency after his win over Archie Colgan, and what it’s like managing both sides of a championship fight.

Ali breaks down potential UFC matchups for Usman, previews Islam Makhachev vs. Ian Garry, and explains what should come next for Justin Gaethje. Plus, the PFL and MVP merger, Jake Paul’s war with Dana White, and Kamaru hints at his next fight.

00:00 Ali Abdelaziz joins P4P
03:57 Managing both sides of Usman vs. Archie
07:49 Usman Nurmagomedov enters free agency
11:30 Dream UFC matchups for Usman
17:03 The most dangerous fighters in the gym
18:33 Why Ali loves the Ilia matchup
19:40 Usman’s options after the PFL and MVP merger
21:05 Ali on Jake Paul
23:14 What's next for Justin Gaethje?
28:14 Islam Makhachev vs. Ian Garry preview
31:15 Ian Garry’s biggest advantages
34:57 What’s next for Ali’s champions and contenders
36:45 Kamaru hints at his return

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Kamaru gives an honest reaction to his loss to Dricus du Plessis, explains what went wrong, opens up about his injury and discusses whether he wants to continue fighting.

Then undefeated PFL lightweight Archie Colgan joins the show ahead of his July 31 title fight against Usman Nurmagomedov. Archie breaks down the matchup, his wrestling advantage, a brutal training camp alongside Kamaru and the mindset he believes can make him champion.

Henry and Kamaru also discuss the middleweight title picture, a possible return to 170 for Kamaru and what could be next for DDP.

00:00 Kamaru reacts to the DDP loss
00:00 Kamaru and Henry catch up
07:05 Henry announces his RAF rematch
23:05 Breaking down Ankalaev's win
31:12 Henry on retirement and family
44:06 Previewing Colgan vs. Nurmagomedov
54:30 How Henry and Kamaru first met

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Henry checks in from Georgia ahead of his wrestling match with Merab, Kamaru checks in from camp. Breaking down Conor McGregor’s return against Max Holloway, the true underdog of Paddy Pimblett vs Benoit Saint Denis, Cory Sandhagen's impressive camp for Mario Bautista, Gable Steveson’s (rushed???) UFC debut, Robert Whittaker’s move to light heavyweight, and more from a stacked International Fight Week card.

00:00 - Henry checks in from Georgia
04:04 - Henry in Georgia for Merab
08:00 - The return of Conor McGregor
12:16 - Does the Conor hype still exist?
15:37 - What a Conor win means for the UFC
18:36 - Paddy Pimblett vs Benoit Saint Denis: who is the real underdog?
21:59 - Cory Sandhagen beat up Kamaru?!
28:52 - Terrance McKinney: live and die by round 1
33:49 - Robert Whittaker move to light heavyweight
36:24 - Is Gable Steveson being rushed into the UFC?
48:15 - Final card thoughts

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Sean O’Malley joins Kamaru Usman for a full interview after his UFC 250 win, opening up on his long-running beef with Henry Cejudo, why he still wants the Merab Dvalishvili fight, a possible Petr Yan rematch, life after losing the belt, fatherhood, staying motivated, and building his new hydration brand.

After the interview, Henry joins Kamaru to respon and talk through Kamaru’s newly announced fight with Dricus Du Plessis at 185. The guys also break down Justin Gaethje’s lightweight legacy, the new UFC Meta rankings, Fiziev vs Torres, and Henry’s upcoming wrestling match with Merab.

0:00 Sean O’Malley joins P4P
0:31 Sean explains his beef with Henry Cejudo
5:16 Sean breaks down his UFC 250 knockout
10:23 Petr Yan, Merab and what’s next for Sean
14:02 Fatherhood, fame and handling losses
25:29 Sean on being underestimated
27:28 What still motivates Sean O’Malley
31:01 Sean’s businesses and Doing Well Hydration
39:15 Henry responds to Sean O’Malley
45:44 Kamaru gives Sean his flowers
52:49 Henry and Kamaru talk Trevor Wittman
55:01 Kamaru vs Dricus Du Plessis announced
1:00:03 How Kamaru prepares for DDP’s awkward style
1:02:26 Justin Gaethje’s lightweight legacy
1:05:48 Who should fight Justin Gaethje next?
1:10:42 Fiziev vs Torres preview
1:12:04 UFC Meta rankings debate
1:14:57 Fiziev vs Torres picks
1:16:48 Henry’s upcoming Merab wrestling match

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Kamaru and Henry recap UFC Freedom 250 from the White House lawn — Justin Gaethje shocking Ilia Topuria for the lightweight title, a full card breakdown, and a preview of Kape vs Horiguchi.

0:00 Intro
1:25 Gaethje becomes undisputed champ
2:16 Most decorated UFC lightweight ever?
8:55 Giving Topuria his flowers
13:51 Where Topuria went wrong
24:05 Handling defeat
34:10 What's next for Topuria
40:18 Is Gaethje worth $10M?
44:30 Pereira vs Gane
49:37 Pereira vs Jon Jones debate
50:28 Aspinall & title politics
56:01 Lewis vs Hokit
59:54 O'Malley vs Zahabi
1:04:37 Chandler vs Ruffy
1:13:16 Nickal vs Daukaus
1:14:01 Lopes vs Garcia
1:18:15 Rating Freedom 250
1:19:36 Preview: Kape vs Horiguchi

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