BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast

Morgan Housel, best-selling author of The Psychology of Money, Same as Ever, and The Art of Spending Money, has a “system” for building wealth that seems too simple, too easy to be true—but is. Most Americans think getting wealthy is only for those willing to work 100+ hour weeks, build a business from scratch, inherit millions, or get a high-paying six-figure job.

That’s not the case. The average American can get wealthy—you just need to follow this “good enough” system.

Morgan spent the early part of his career covering lessons from the fallout of the 2008 Great Financial Crisis. Economics couldn’t make sense of it, and what he found was that psychology could. Knowing how to win the money game puts you in the player’s seat, instead of watching from the sidelines. And today, Morgan shares the biggest lessons to get in the game.

From the simple “system” both he and Dave use to build wealth to the #1 skill of a wealthy investor, when you should spend more money, and why merely working harder isn’t going to get you what you want. Morgan even shares his strong opinion on the #1 thing wrong with the housing market today—and how we could actually fix it. 

In This Episode We Cover

Morgan’s simple “system” for building wealth even if you don’t have tons of extra income

Why retiring early is not the goal worth striving for (and what is better)

How much of a return should you be making on your investments? Morgan’s unique answer 

Knowing your “enough” so you can stop worrying, start living, and do what you’re meant to do 

Spend more money before it’s too late? The argument for why you shouldn’t wait to give 

And So Much More!

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Ten years ago, Erika Brown bought her first investment property. Now, a decade later, she’s financially free, with a portfolio she’s slowly starting to scale down so she can do less, enjoy her life more, and build the early retirement lifestyle she had always dreamed of. But it wasn’t always like this. 

Back in 2012, Erika was working at a bank, climbing the corporate ladder, with no thought of ever retiring before 65. She just couldn’t ignore one thing—every wealthy client at the bank was investing in real estate. They were on to something she wasn’t, so she tried her first house hack—fixing up a basement unit while raising three kids and working nine-to-five.

Then, a few years later, the real investing began. Erika did everything—short-term rentals, Section 8 long-term rentals, cashing out her 401(k) to renovate, renting out rooms, buying up entire blocks. She gives her true, honest take on which strategies are worth the effort, which have a bad rap but strong cash flow, and why she’s scaling down, not up, only 10 years into her investing career. 

In This Episode We Cover

How to break out of the paycheck-to-paycheck cycle starting with one property 

You’re wrong about Section 8: How to get great tenants with government rent checks 

Is coliving (rent-by-the-room) really worth it?

Would you trade your retirement account for a rental property? Why Erika pulled the trigger

Why you need to change your rental strategy often to keep cash flowing 

And So Much More!

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Anyone can flip a house after hearing this episode. If you’ve got around 30 minutes and want to make a faster return on your money than rental properties, this is how you do it. And this isn’t just hype—Dave is putting this knowledge to the test, flipping his first house with the help of expert house flipper James Dainard. 

James has flipped over 4,000 houses, has made more mistakes than almost any house flipper on the planet, and knows exactly what to buy, what not to buy, and how to turn an average, outdated home into a top-seller with six-figure profits. If you’re a beginner, you’re in luck—James is breaking down everything a beginner needs to know when buying, budgeting, fixing, and selling a house flip in 2026. 

We’ll get into it all—why house flipping still works in 2026, the best properties to flip for beginners, the red flags to avoid (unless you’re very experienced), Dave’s actual first house flip numbers (with examples), how to protect yourself in a bad market, and what to do when costs rise faster than you anticipated. 

Give us 30 minutes, and you’ll be ready to try your first house flip. 

In This Episode We Cover

The best properties for beginners to flip (with the least amount of risk)

Dave’s actual numbers on a house flip property he’s buying and renovating 

The biggest red flags a beginner must avoid when buying a house to flip 

Profits shrinking? Here’s what to do ASAP to lower your flipping costs 

How to still make a sizable profit when the market is working against you

The team members that will make or break your profit (and timeline) 

And So Much More!

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In the early 2010s, Joseph Moore was a history professor earning $60,000/year with no real estate investing experience. Now, he’s a real estate millionaire, still working the job he loves, with fewer rental properties than you’d think, and financially free from a handful of real estate investments. He got there by following the historical lessons of the wealthy that he’s sharing in today’s episode.

After almost being wiped out in the 2008 housing crash, Joseph took a hard look at how he could financially protect himself and his wife. The answer? Invest in time-tested assets like real estate. Using a tactic called the “Johnny Appleseed Strategy,” he bought rentals in places where the demographic demand was flowing, and it paid off, but not without some massive hiccups.

FBI raids, underground crime rings, destroyed properties—he learned his lesson, but even these extreme headache properties made him wealthy, proving the strategy worked. Now, with a select bunch of rental properties, Joseph has become a real estate millionaire by targeting the right homes, in the right markets, from the right sellers.

Today, he’s teaching the five core lessons that made him a real estate millionaire and how to spot the properties with the highest upside so that you can build wealth with fewer rentals. 

In This Episode We Cover

The “Johnny Appleseed Strategy” investors can use to buy in the best areas before the masses catch on

The underground crime ring that was (unknowingly) run out of Joseph’s rental property 

How to reach financial freedom with far fewer rentals than you think you need

Five lessons of the wealthy that every investor should follow when buying rental properties 

The one strategy that has helped more Americans pay off their mortgage early than anything else 

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You don’t need a big, expensive, stressful rental property portfolio to retire on your terms. Today’s guest was able to leave her W-2 job in her late 30s, all thanks to a small, smart rental property portfolio. Most people think they need a dozen (or more) doors to reach a level of “freedom” that lets them walk away from their job. Lucy Hinds did it with half that amount.

Did we mention she only started investing in 2022?

After deciding that jumping out of airplanes for the Army was where Lucy wanted her excitement from, she decided to tackle her debt ASAP. But this former Dave Ramsey disciple quickly became a real estate debt enthusiast, buying three rental properties in three months, all using equity from her personal residence. 

From there, Lucy continued to scale until one day she decided she could step away from her job. The best part? She had only a handful of rentals at the time, but they’d cover her living expenses, giving her the freedom to do what she wanted with her days. Discovering her “enough” led to her early retirement, with far fewer rentals than most people think is possible.

Think you’re still decades away from retirement? Lucy proves that even in this market, a few rentals can go a long way. 

In This Episode We Cover

How to retire (early) with fewer rental properties than you think 

Using your home equity to fund your first (or your first three!) rental properties 

Scared of taking on debt for real estate? How Lucy switched from the zero-debt mindset to scaling with rentals 

Cash flow even at 7% interest rates? It’s still possible, and Lucy is proof!

Pay off a rental property vs. your primary residence: why one can “free” you far faster 

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