Surgeons with Purpose

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Gopi Shah and Ashley Agan met when Ashley was a PGY-3 and Gopi was a fellow. They’ve been friends ever since.
Both went on to spend about eight years in academic medicine. Ashley made associate professor at UT Southwestern and was the first physician in her family. Gopi built her own academic career. And eventually, they both hit a wall.
They describe that wall differently.
For Gopi, it was the realization that what she thought her career would feel like was not what it actually felt like. For Ashley, it looked more like a seven-year itch, coupled with a vision she’d carried for years of running a small practice of her own.
What I love about their story is that they didn’t leave in the same direction.
Gopi and her family moved to Paris on what she calls a pipe dream: the chance to live abroad. She put her professional life completely on hold. She needed the reset, not just professionally, but for her mind, body, and overall wellbeing. At one point, she genuinely wasn’t sure she wanted to keep practicing medicine.
Eventually, she tried locums.
It was supposed to be a try-it-and-see experiment. Instead, she found a way of practicing that she loves. Every new institution requires her to read the room, understand the system, and figure out how to work within it. She loves the variety, the call, and the hospital medicine.
And as a pediatric ENT, she has a pretty good explanation for why she likes working with kids: they keep you honest. They see right through the ego.
Ashley watched Gopi do all of this and describes her, in some ways, as a vision board.
Two years ago, Ashley left her salaried academic position and opened a direct-care, cash-pay practice, despite being told it wouldn’t work.
Her take on cash pay is refreshingly nuanced: it’s harder in some ways and easier in others. Building the practice is harder. Actually practicing medicine without the insurance model hanging over every decision is much simpler.
She figured insurance would always be there if she needed it.
She hasn’t needed it.
What Ashley really wanted was control of her time. Her old life had become two daily frenzies, one in the morning and one in the evening, with a packed clinical day sandwiched between them. Somewhere along the way, she started to feel like she was missing the point of her own life.
She understood why the system was built the way it was.
She also understood that she could not build the life she wanted inside it.
And then there’s BackTable ENT.
That started almost by accident.
Gopi’s husband had launched BackTable IR as part of a startup building an app that allowed proceduralists to rate devices. The app needed physician engagement, so they started a podcast to drive people toward it.
The podcast ended up being the thing of value.
Gopi and Ashley first shared a microphone while talking about nosebleeds. In 2020, they decided to make an ENT podcast together. They recorded five episodes, mostly with people they already knew.
Ashley’s summary of those early days is basically perfect: it was so fun, even if nobody listened.
They weren’t initially thinking about it as education. That came later, when they started talking about all the things that weren’t making it onto the academic agenda.
Their first episode in that series was about the idea that you can’t pour from an empty cup. From there, the conversations expanded into practice building, professionalism, personal development, mentorship, coaching, and all of the other things they wish someone had taught them when they were younger.
Some of those topics, like the difference between mentorship and coaching, were still genuinely unfamiliar territory when they recorded them.
And doing it together mattered.
There’s something about having another person beside you that makes it much less terrifying to ask the question that might sound stupid, hear your own voice coming out of a microphone, get in front of a camera, or put an opinion into the world where someone might judge you for it.
Their goal is honest conversation.
Even with sponsorships, they want to be able to say what they actually think. If there’s something their colleagues should know about a device, they want to say it.
These are the conversations that happen on the sidelines at conferences. The conversations that don’t always make it onto the Academy podium.
And underneath so much of what they do is a challenge to one of the most deeply ingrained ideas in medicine: that there is only one right way to be a surgeon.
Both Gopi and Ashley have learned what happens when you’re willing to fail forward, especially when the risk is one you chose for yourself.
That, to me, is the real story here.
Not that they left academic medicine.
Not that one built a locums career and the other built a cash-pay practice.
It’s that they stopped assuming the career they had been handed was the only career available to them.
Learn more about Back Table ENT podcast here. Learn more about Ashley's practice, Scottie ENT, here.

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My TEDx journey started while I was pooping on a very fancy toilet in NYC. But before I say more about that...
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Back to that fancy toilet in NYC…
I was with my family on spring break, and an email from Cesar somehow showed up in my inbox. Next thing I knew, I had the thought, "I can do a TEDx talk." I booked a call with Cesar, and that same year I landed my first talk. Then I landed a second talk, which was selected for the coveted Editor's Pick (an honor reserved for less than 0.1% of TEDx talks). You can watch my first talk, How to save lives with two minutes of listening here and my second talk, Can we end fear-driven healthcare? here.
Cesar Cervantes was the kind of child whose parents concluded early that he was going to need a stage: theater camps, commercials, and a father he first learned to be funny with. He started doing stand-up and was touring by nineteen, work that eventually took him into war zones, performing at lunchtime on forward operating bases to service members. He calls it the worst possible setup for comedy and the most fulfilling work he has ever done.
What he ran into was the limit of the medium. He wanted to create transformation, not just laughter, so he went to graduate school and began teaching comedy inside a theater department. The keynote he built out of those classes drew a different question from other speakers: how do I get on a stage like that? And Top Talks grew out of answering it.
His case for humor is more serious than you might expect. Humor is catharsis. Pain and joy are both part of being a person, and comedy is where we metabolize the overlap; it is a celebration of the flawed human state. Pain plus time equals comedy, which also means a story told too soon is not ready for a stage. We also get into how badly a story suffers when the teller makes themselves the hero of it, a habit that feels like confidence and lands like distance, and one accomplished people fall into without noticing.
On TEDx, Cesar talks about how the stage is for ideas and how ideas change things, rather than motivational speaking or a personal story of overcoming. Ten to twelve minutes is the sweet spot, and the goal is a talk your audience can leave holding in one sentence. Getting there takes laser focus on your throughline, a clear sense of where the audience starts and where you intend to move them, a refusal to get precious about everything you write, and what he calls an "Oh My Gift" moment.
The structure runs in eight beats: an attention getter, an unequivocal reveal of the problem, the throughline, the solution stated plainly, then building the problem out, revealing the solution, the Oh My Gift moment, and a call to action. TED, he notes, loves reason-based thinking that arrives somewhere.
His advice on getting selected is unglamorous and correct. Land the idea, learn to communicate it, submit to events you would genuinely travel to, and separate the outcome from the process. Once selected, get a coach. TED is its own form. As a two-time TEDx speaker, I can vouch for this.
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This episode discusses a recent suicide. Please listen carefully, or if this is particularly triggering for you, forgo listening completely.
On July 23, 2025, Vaibhav Duggal turned 24. He spent the morning of his birthday in a women's health clinic in El Paso, on his OB/GYN rotation as a third-year medical student at Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center. Six days later he was dead.
In this episode, I share more details that have come to light about this case, including the processes the institution followed to address the complaint against Vaibhav, what the culture was like inside the institution, and the conversation between the Dean of the school and Vaibhav's parents.
Please go back and listen to the first episode #111, Vaibhav's Story, before listening to this one.
If you or someone you know is struggling, the 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline is available 24/7 by call or text in the U.S. Medical students and physicians can also reach the Physician Support Line at 1-888-409-0141, staffed by volunteer psychiatrists.
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Dr. Erik Pearson grew up the son of an X-ray tech, trained in Dublin, and matched in Utah, where watching the pediatric surgeons at work made the decision for him. It wasn't only the operations. It was the weight of being trusted with someone's child.
After fetal intervention research at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and pediatric surgery training at Emory, he found a growing practice in Las Vegas looking to build out its ECMO program. Ten years later, he joins us to talk about what that work actually asks of a person.
We get into the parts of pediatric surgery that don't make it into the training curriculum: the driveway moments after a hard case and learning to compartmentalize without going numb. Erik describes the mental shift that let him keep doing this work: I get to be there to help. Not so much be the hero.
The second half of the conversation turns to October 1, 2017. Erik was on call at Sunrise Hospital when victims of the Las Vegas mass shooting began arriving. He walks us through the organized chaos of the ER, the improvised triage bay in the ambulance parking lot, the color category the team invented on the spot because the standard system didn't fit, and the five hours he spent with a single gunshot patient alongside a scrub tech he had never met. He also describes the leadership he saw that night: a CEO in a purple polo whose entire job became removing barriers so clinicians could work.
It's a conversation about competence, grief, transparency with families, and what every hospital and every physician should be asking themselves before the worst night of their career arrives.
The numbers Erik shares from that night
124 patients with gunshot wounds requiring treatment
129 patients admitted that night
16 mortalities, 14 of them dead on arrival
58 surgeries in the first 24 hours
516 blood products used

Swarm leadership: the five principles
A model first identified in the response to the Boston Marathon bombing (observed in flocking birds) that Erik saw play out in real time:
Unity of mission
Generosity of spirit in action
Staying in your lane
No ego, no blame
Trust-based relationships

Dr. Erik Pearson is a pediatric surgeon in Las Vegas, where he has practiced for the past ten years as part of a physician-owned group. He is known as Citizen Surgeon on Instagram. Follow him here. Check out his website here.