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Can an outsider understand a divided political culture better than those inside it? Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson are joined by Dr Michaël Green, University Professor at the University of Łódź and Director of its Centre for Self-Narratives, for a special audio-only conversation.

Through letters, diaries and memoirs, we explore what personal accounts reveal about early modern lives, privacy, exile and belonging. Paul de Rapin de Thoyras and Henry Bentinck, Viscount Woodstock, take us into Huguenot experience, education and the Grand Tour. Jean Roux and Jewish life writing offer contrasting accounts of integration, gratitude and home.

Does distance make a historian more perceptive or more impartial? What changes when a tutor becomes regarded as a spy? And is being treated with dignity the same as being accepted?

Hosted by Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson. Guest: Dr Michaël Green.

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Chapters
00:00 Welcome, outsiders and egodocuments
08:17 Privacy and public selves
12:51 Rapin's exile and Woodstock
24:36 Grand Tour education and belonging
33:33 Jean Roux, Jewish lives and belonging
39:07 Gratitude, outsiders and impartiality
42:31 Political division and patronage
45:55 The Grand Tour traveller
49:19 Dignity rather than acceptance
49:40 Farewell
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Can education protect us from the society that forms us? In the final episode of our Rousseau series, Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson turn to Émile (1762), childhood and the difficult task of learning to be free.

Rousseau wants children to learn through nature and experience rather than arbitrary commands. Yet his tutor quietly arranges the world around the pupil. Samuel and Jack ask whether this hidden control nurtures freedom, how moral judgement grows through pity and experience, and what Rousseau’s treatment of his own children means for our reading of his educational philosophy.

The conversation moves through the Savoyard Vicar, natural religion, the condemnation of Émile, and the sharply unequal education Rousseau proposes for women. Across the series, one question remains: can human beings shape one another without making one another less free?

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Read Émile free (Barbara Foxley translation, 1911):
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/5427

Editorial notes: Sophie is Émile’s intended wife; Julie is the heroine of Rousseau’s separate novel Julie, or the New Heloise (1761). The discussion occasionally slips between their names. The Book IV quotation reads “but we need not feel them” in Foxley’s translation.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Welcome and the question of formation
00:25 Émile, 1762: education and nature
01:57 The tutor’s hidden control
02:39 Rousseau’s children and the biographical contradiction
04:59 Childhood and three sources of education
06:53 Learning through natural consequences
08:55 Can arranged freedom be real freedom?
10:00 Hobbes, boundaries and experience
10:53 Pity, adolescence and moral education
11:54 The Savoyard Vicar and condemnation
12:57 Freedom, constraint and the end of education
14:18 Montaigne and the formation of judgement
15:21 Sophie, Julie and the education of women
18:10 Responsibility, criticism and moral support
19:22 The series question: shaping others without domination
20:00 Rousseau’s originality and the problem of evil
21:24 Bonus episode and next series

Music: “Queens Arrival” by Red Planet, TakeTones.
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If society creates dependence and inequality, can political association also make us free? In the second episode of our Rousseau series, Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson move from the Discourse on Inequality (1755) to The Social Contract (1762).

We distinguish natural differences from inequalities sustained by convention and institutions, consider pity and perfectibility, and explore the tension between amour de soi and amour-propre. From agriculture and property to the general will, the conversation asks how citizens might replace dependence on other people with laws they prescribe together.

Along the way, we revisit Hobbes, Diderot and Rousseau's attachment to Geneva, consider Jack's comparison with Kant, and debate the troubling claim that a citizen can be "forced to be free". Episode 3 turns to education, Émile and Julie.

Hosted by Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Welcome and introduction
00:28 Recap: dependence and Geneva
00:53 Can society make us free again?
01:09 Two contracts and the key dates
02:39 Natural and moral inequality
06:53 Compassion, pity and Hobbes
10:23 Perfectibility
11:51 Amour de soi and amour-propre
12:54 Agriculture, metallurgy and property
15:20 Born free, everywhere in chains
16:03 Diderot at Vincennes
17:06 The general will
19:01 Geneva and the dignity of man
20:06 Rousseau and Kant
21:11 Forced to be free?
24:15 Next episode and farewell

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FREE READING
Rousseau, The Social Contract and Discourses, translated by G. D. H. Cole:
https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/46333
Read the Discourse on Inequality, especially Part II, and The Social Contract, Book I, chapters 1, 6, 7 and 8.

EPISODE 1
Watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_F2u40m6vQ
Listen: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2238237/episodes/19951622

MUSIC
Red Planet, "Queens Arrival" (TakeTones), the programme's original theme.

ARTWORK
Rousseau, Du contrat social (1762), Bibliothèque nationale de France / Gallica. Public domain.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Du_contrat_social_Rousseau_Jean-Jacques.jpg
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In the first of three Beyond the Text episodes on Rousseau, Samuel Woodall explores the life behind the arguments: the Confessions, Geneva, Madame de Warens, Paris and Diderot, the First Discourse, amour-propre, and the troubled relationship with David Hume.

Jack Thomson is unwell, so Samuel presents this opening episode solo. The Rousseau series continues on Wednesday.

CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:01 The Confessions
02:51 Geneva and Rousseau's early life
05:25 Apprenticeship
06:49 Madame de Warens
08:43 Les Charmettes
09:59 Paris and Diderot
11:38 Children and contradictions
12:36 The First Discourse
14:39 Civilisation
15:21 Amour-propre
16:34 Exile and David Hume
18:29 Conclusion

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READING
Rousseau, Confessions: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/3913
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, Jean-Jacques Rousseau: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rousseau/
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Who gets to call another society barbarous, and what does that judgement reveal about ourselves? In the final episode of our Montaigne series, Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson discuss custom, European self-criticism, cruelty, compassion and the tension between honour and political expedience.

Through Of Cannibals, Of Cruelty and related essays, we ask how scepticism about custom can coexist with moral judgement, and how disagreement becomes a licence to dehumanise others.

Join the conversation: can a society hold strong convictions without turning custom into nature and opponents into barbarians?
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Montaigne, Episode 3 of 3. Hosted by Samuel Woodall and Jack Thomson.