Crossing The River

• Grandmother Helen Lindmark: Deep Listening [ENG]

  In this episode, Grandmother Helen Lindmark (Sámi Indigenous People, Sápmi) shares her deep connection to the land and the Sámi way of life. The Sámi people inhabit Sápmi—a vast, remote region that spans Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Russia’s Kola Peninsula—located within the Arctic Circle and rich in minerals like copper and gold. Because of this, their lands and communities have long been threatened by extractive industries and colonial forces that have sought to suppress their language and cultural traditions. Today, the Sámi are the only Indigenous people recognized within the European Union.Despite these challenges, Grandmother Helen continues to defend the sacred relationship between her people, their land, and the more-than-human world. Through silence and the practice of deep listening to the language of nature, she reminds us of the importance of returning to our roots and recognizing our profound interconnectedness.

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• Christine Kandie: Reclaiming Unheard Voices [ENG]

  In this episode, Christine Kandie (Endorois Indigenous People, Kenia) shares a deeply personal story of dispossession, resistance, and healing. Following the forced eviction of her people from their ancestral land in 1973, Christine grew up hearing stories of a lake that was like a womb for her community—vital, spiritual, and irreplaceable. In this episode, we follow her journey from a childhood in exile to becoming the founder of the Endorois Indigenous Women Empowerment Network. Along the way, she has challenged layers of invisibility to demand justice, reparations, and recognition. This is a story about the power of memory, identity, and what it means to keep fighting when you are told to forget who you are.

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• Patricia Tobón Yagarí: Bridging Worlds [ENG]

  Patricia Tobón Yagarí (Emberá-Chamí Indigenous People, Colombia) is an Indigenous attorney who bridges worlds: between Indigenous and non-Indigenous cosmologies, communities and the State, Western law and the stories of the Colombian armed conflict, and the processes of truth, healing, and reparation. Her home was her first school, and her career demonstrates that being born between two worlds—and deeply understanding both—is a powerful tool for building bridges between diverse actors.

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• Mphatheleni Makaulule: Words That Weave The Land [ENG]

  In the first episode of the second season, Mphatheleni Makaulule (Venda Indigenous People, South Africa) shares her experience as a keeper of Indigenous knowledge systems. Mphatheleni argues that defending her territory means protecting her language—the words she and her people use to foster relationships with their land. As part of her work, she has documented and preserved the knowledge of the elders and the wisdom embedded in their language.

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• Manifesto - Season 2 [ENG]

  Crossing the River is a podcast in which we hear from Indigenous leaders who defend life on Earth every day, in their own words, because they are the protagonists of their own stories. To make the collective decisions which will define our present and our future, and to re-examine the stories we tell about our past, we must listen to their voices. This podcast amplifies Indigenous peoples’ voices; it does not explain or interrupt them. Here, you will hear directly from Indigenous leaders, because deep listening requires paying close attention to the way they pause and breathe and to the weight they carry in their voices.We invite you to cross the river, to connect and meet with Indigenous leaders and their peoples. With this exercise in attentive listening and practice, we plant this collective seed for the future with them.Welcome to the second season of Crossing the River.Crossing the River is a podcast from the More Than Human Life Program (MOTH), based at the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at NYU School of Law and 070 Podcasts.The team behind the podcast is Carlos Andrés Baquero Díaz from MOTH, Natalia Arenas, Goldy Levy, and Andrés Villegas. The original art is by Nefazta and the music is by Cosmo Sheldrake. 

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