The Accounting Podcast

Can AI now do bookkeeping better than humans? Blake and David dig into new data showing major AI models outperforming outsourced accountants on basic transaction coding, then explore what that means for firms, finance teams, and the future of audit. They also cover a one-person finance team powered by AI agents, KPMG’s scramble to keep up, and why the accounting talent shortage still isn’t going away.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 491

(00:38) - Top stories preview

(03:23) - OnPay support story

(04:08) - Finance team of one

(06:49) - LLMs vs humans benchmarks

(09:15) - Ramp Stack agents

(13:04) - Digits interview begins

(19:55) - Outcome pricing and skills

(28:05) - Livestream Q&A reactions

(29:27) - Future of audit Oath

(30:29) - Oath AI Audit Vision

(31:46) - Continuous Audit Workflow

(32:21) - Business Model Debate

(33:02) - Big Four On Alert

(33:07) - Accounting Engineer Hiring

(33:47) - KPMG Courts AI Startups

(35:15) - Talent Shortage Worsens

(36:31) - Why Seniors Are Scarce

(39:55) - Ramp Stack AI Agents

(47:14) - Procurement Agents And Valuation

(48:50) - KPMG Token Maxing Dashboard

(52:31) - KPMG Australia Fallout

(54:45) - Trump Tax Settlement Update

(56:14) - IRS Leadership Vacuum

(59:28) - Wrap Up And Earmark News

 

Show Notes

Digits "Beyond the AI Hype" Benchmark — AI Models Now Beat Human Accountants
https://blog.insightfulaccountant.com/digits-releases-latest-edition-of-their-beyond-the-ai-hype-benchmark

Ramp Launches Stack, an AI Operating System for Accounting Firms
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-launches-stack-an-ai-operating-system-for-accounting-firms-302789630.html

Ramp Launches Fleet of AI Agents Across Its Procurement Platform
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-launches-fleet-of-ai-agents-across-its-procurement-platform-302756657.html

Ramp Raises $750 Million Series F at $44 Billion Valuation
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ramp-raises-series-f-at-44-billion-valuation-302791103.html

Accounting Talent Shortage Surges — Accounting Today
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/accounting-talent-shortage-surges

Ex-PCAOB Regulator Joins AI Audit Startup Oath Targeting 80% Automation
https://thefinancestory.com/ex-pcaob-regulator-joins-ai-native-audit-firm-oath

KPMG Exploring Start-Up Deals in Silicon Valley to Counter AI Threat — Financial Times
https://www.internationalaccountingbulletin.com/news/kpmg-exploring-start-up-deals/

KPMG Sets 75% AI Usage Target with New Dashboard, Employees Flag It's Easy to Game — Business Insider
https://www.aol.com/articles/kpmg-now-dashboard-where-consultants-154532433.html

Amazon Shuts Down Internal AI Leaderboard After Employees Inflate Usage via Tokenmaxxing
https://www.hcamag.com/us/specialization/hr-technology/amazon-shuts-down-ai-leaderboard-after-tokenmaxxing/577189

KPMG Australia CEO Andrew Yates Resigns Amid Whistleblower Scandal
https://www.internationalaccountingbulletin.com/news/kpmg-australia-ceo-andrew-yates-resigns-amid-whistleblower-scandal/

Trump Administration Drops $1.8 Billion Anti-Weaponization Fund — Todd Blanche Testimony
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/02/doj-fund-trump-todd-blanche.html

Bessent Says He Is Performing IRS Commissioner Duties Amid Trump Tax Settlement Scrutiny
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/06/03/bessent-irs-commissioner-trump-tax-settlement-doj-fund.html

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Is private equity betting on the wrong accounting firms? Blake and David break down CBIZ’s stock slide, why investors may be losing faith in the traditional firm model, and how AI could help smaller firms compete far above their size. They also cover Starbucks ditching AI inventory counts, Microsoft reining in AI tool costs, and what all of it means for accountants navigating automation, pricing, and the future of firm growth.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 490

(02:53) - CBIZ Stock Slide

(06:13) - AI Threat to Firm Models

(11:32) - EisnerAmper Anti AI Take

(15:42) - Livestream Shoutouts

(16:13) - New England CPA Society Merge

(20:42) - Starbucks Kills AI Inventory

(23:34) - NASBA Exam Data Mess

(26:34) - Phoenix Call Center Jobs and AI

(28:36) - Will AI Really Kill Jobs

(31:09) - Spreadsheets Then AI Now

(33:07) - Automation Enables CFO Services

(35:08) - Microsoft AI Token Shock

(36:31) - Managing Token Spend

(39:27) - AI Architect Role

(43:36) - Trump IRS Settlement Reopened

(45:04) - Beneficial Ownership Bill

(45:52) - Newsom 100% Tax Threat

(46:57) - KPMG Australia Whistleblower

(49:35) - Xero Force No Code Agents

(54:03) - Xero Earnings Melio Impact

(59:03) - Vibe Coding Real Examples

(01:02:35) - Wrap Up Earmark CPE

 

Show Notes

What Can We Learn from CBIZ?
https://www.accountingtoday.com/opinion/what-can-we-learn-from-cbiz

EisnerAmper on Accounting for AI
https://www.privatefundscfo.com/eisneramper-on-accounting-for-ai/

State Societies Merge to Form New England Society of CPAs
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/state-societies-merge-to-form-new-england-society-of-cpas

Starbucks Kills Off Its Automated Counting AI Tool After Just 9 Months
https://www.goingconcern.com/starbucks-kills-off-its-automated-counting-ai-tool-after-just-9-months-because-it-sucked-at-counting/

NASBA's CPA Exam Reporting Problems Are Improving, But Not Solved
https://www.accountingtoday.com/opinion/nasbas-cpa-exam-reporting-problems-are-improving-but-not-solved

Phoenix Built an Empire of Cubicle Jobs. AI Is Coming to Tear It Down.
https://www.wsj.com/economy/jobs/phoenix-jobs-ai-call-centers-1ca1c3b3

Why the A.I. Job Apocalypse (Probably) Won't Happen
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/03/opinion/ai-jobs-unemployment.html

Microsoft Cut Its Engineers Off from AI Because the Bill Got Too Big
https://fortune.com/2026/05/22/microsoft-ai-cost-problem-tokens-agents/

Does Your Firm Need an AI Architect?
https://www.accountingtoday.com/opinion/does-your-firm-need-an-ai-architect

Judge Reopens Trump's $10 Billion IRS Lawsuit
https://www.notus.org/donald-trump/trump-irs-suit-investigate-collusion

Newsom Vows California Will Impose 100% Tax on Trump's Anti-Weaponization Fund
https://abc7.com/post/newsom-vows-california-will-impose-100-tax-trumps-18-billion-anti-weaponization-fund/19188298/

AICPA Backs Bill Limiting Beneficial Ownership Reporting
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/aicpa-backs-bill-limiting-beneficial-ownership-reporting

KPMG Australia CEO Andrew Yates Resigns Amid Whistleblower Scandal
https://www.internationalaccountingbulletin.com/news/kpmg-australia-ceo-andrew-yates-resigns-amid-whistleblower-scandal/

Xero FY26 Result: Revenue Surges 31% but Profit Dips Due to Melio Acquisition Costs
https://www.fool.com.au/2026/05/14/xero-fy26-result-revenue-surges-31-but-profit-dips-due-to-melio-acquisition-costs/
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Is AI about to break the billable hour? Blake and David unpack what they heard at a major AI tax summit, where new tools promise to prepare complex returns in minutes instead of hours. They also debate Intuit’s stock slide, Trump’s extraordinary IRS settlement, and what shrinking oversight at the PCAOB could mean. You’ll hear where AI is already changing accounting—and where humans still matter most.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 489

(02:24) - Blackor AI Tax Summit

(03:14) - AI Agents Disrupt Tax

(07:16) - Billable Hour Pressure

(09:00) - Advisory Future Forecast

(10:14) - Intuit Stock Shock

(12:29) - TurboTax vs Tax Pros

(17:31) - Intuit Layoffs Strategy

(20:04) - Trump IRS Settlement

(24:59) - PCAOB SEC Shakeup

(27:33) - OnPay Payroll Pitch

(28:42) - IRS Mystery Payments

(30:48) - Busy Season Burnout

(33:35) - California SaaS Tax Plan

(34:54) - Big Four AI Hallucinations

(36:48) - Are Consultants Replaceable

(40:03) - AI Job Loss Chart

(43:50) - Maxima Close Automation

(45:12) - Musk Tax Return Training

(46:03) - SpaceX IPO Breakdown

(50:11) - CPE and Listener Q&A

(52:51) - Wrap Up and Shoutouts

 

Show Notes
Intuit Lays Off 3,000 Employees Amid AI Push
https://officechai.com/ai/intuit-lays-off-3000-employees-amid-ai-push/
U.S. Government Agrees to Drop Tax Claims Against Trump in Broadening of IRS Settlement
https://www.npr.org/2026/05/19/g-s1-122938/irs-trump-settlement-tax-returns-audit

DOJ Settlement 'Forever' Bars IRS Trump Audits, Sparks Backlash
https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/news/doj-settlement-forever-bars-irs-trump-audits-sparks-backlash/

U.S. Audit Watchdog Should Rescind Its Independence Rules, SEC Official Says
https://www.securitiesdocket.com/2026/05/08/u-s-audit-watchdog-should-rescind-its-independence-rules-sec-official-says-wsj/

The SEC's New SOX Group – Potential Impacts for Audit Firms, Their Professionals, and Future PCAOB Enforcement
https://www.kslaw.com/news-and-insights/the-secs-new-sox-group-potential-impacts-for-audit-firms-their-professionals-and-future-pcaob-enforcement

IRS to Develop System to Track Missing Payments, TIGTA Says
https://www.thetaxadviser.com/news/2026/may/irs-to-develop-system-to-track-missing-payments-tigta-says/

78% of Tax Pros Say Tax Season Negatively Impacts Personal and Professional Life
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/05/26/78-of-tax-pros-say-that-tax-season-negatively-impacts-personal-professional-life/183912/

California Proposes Tax on All Digital Software Sales
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/316734/20260516/californias-725-saas-tax-would-hit-every-business-running-microsoft-salesforce-workday.htm

EY Gets Busted and Yeets Cybersecurity Report Littered With AI Hallucinations
https://www.goingconcern.com/ey-gets-busted-and-yeets-cybersecurity-report-littered-with-ai-hallucinations/

Investigation: Hallucinations in Ernst & Young Report on Loyalty Fraud
https://gptzero.me/investigations/ey

Is AI Putting Graduates Out of Work Already?
https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/03/27/is-ai-putting-graduates-out-of-work-already

Musk's xAI Fails to Pay Staff $420 for Giving Tax Returns to Grok
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-05-18/musk-s-xai-promised-staff-420-for-their-tax-returns-hasn-t-paid

SpaceX Files for IPO
https://spacenews.com/spacex-files-for-ipo/

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Is AI really the next Google—or are investors repeating the last tech bubble? Blake and David dig into OpenAI’s legal win, the accounting mechanics behind soaring AI valuations, and why cloud credits and paper gains may be inflating the market. They also explore what could make AI tools actually sticky for businesses, from workflow automation to personal finance and small-business use cases, and what all of this means for accountants.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 488

(00:22) - Cash Flow Forecast Debate

(00:29) - Road Show Updates

(00:56) - Conference Rebrand News

(01:31) - Nasdaq AI Summit Preview

(04:29) - Livestream Check In

(05:14) - Musk vs OpenAI Ruling

(07:25) - AI Bubble Warning Signs

(10:47) - Roundtrip Accounting Explained

(15:38) - Paper Profits Hit Big Tech

(18:28) - Do AI Giants Have Moats

(27:15) - ChatGPT Personal Finance Push

(30:54) - Agentic App Platforms

(31:44) - Query Volume As Moat

(33:00) - Claude Small Business Suite

(35:20) - Cash Flow Forecast Debate

(37:02) - AI Tax Workbook Example

(41:03) - Personal Finance Is A Hobby

(44:14) - Synthetic And Bench Lessons

(47:16) - Why GLs Still Matter

(50:43) - Klarna Rehires Humans

(52:45) - Token Prices Will Rise

(54:07) - Wrap Up And Next Time

 

Show Notes
Jury Dismisses Elon Musk's Lawsuit Against OpenAI Over Statute of Limitations
https://www.technologyreview.com/2026/05/18/1137488/elon-musk-suit-openai-verdict/
OpenAI Closes $122 Billion Funding Round, Largest in Silicon Valley History
https://siliconangle.com/2026/03/31/openai-just-closed-record-breaking-122b-funding-round-brings-value-852b/

Alphabet and Amazon Stakes in Anthropic Boost Profits by Billions
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-31/alphabet-amazon-stakes-in-anthropic-boost-profit-by-billions

Half of Google's and Amazon's 'Blowout AI Profits' Came From a Stake in Anthropic
https://fortune.com/2026/04/30/google-amazon-ai-profits-anthropic-stake-bubble-earnings-2026/

What Microsoft's 10-Q Says About OpenAI
https://om.co/2026/05/01/what-microsofts-10-q-says-about-openai/

OpenAI Launches ChatGPT for Personal Finance, Will Let You Connect Bank Accounts
https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/15/openai-launches-chatgpt-for-personal-finance-will-let-you-connect-bank-accounts/

Introducing Claude for Small Business
https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-for-small-business

Sasha Orloff (Puzzle) LinkedIn Post: Klarna, AI Agent Costs, and Accounting Quality Risk
https://www.linkedin.com/in/sashaorloff

Klarna Reverses Course on AI Customer Support, Resumes Human Hiring
https://www.customerexperiencedive.com/news/klarna-reinvests-human-talent-customer-service-AI-chatbot/747586/

Khosla Ventures Is Betting $10M on Ian Crosby, Whose Last Startup Bench Imploded
https://techcrunch.com/2026/05/14/khosla-ventures-is-betting-10m-on-ian-crosby-whose-last-startup-bench-imploded/

How Intuit Plans to Ride Out the 'SaaS-pocalypse' (CFO Brew Interview with CTO Alex Balazs)
https://www.cfobrew.com/stories/2026/04/14/intuit-cto-alex-balazs-saas-pocalypse
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Could public companies stop reporting every quarter? Blake and David break down the SEC’s push toward optional semiannual reporting, OpenAI’s new consulting arm, and what both moves could mean for accountants. They also cover tariff refund accounting, audit lawsuits, AI outperforming doctors in diagnosis tests, and why accountants may be better positioned than ever to build software and solve higher-value problems.

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Chapters
(00:00) - TAP 487

(02:52) - Semiannual reporting shift

(06:46) - OpenAI enters consulting

(09:59) - True cost of Iran war

(15:40) - Xero founder scandal

(18:42) - Tariffs and refund accounting

(24:51) - WNBA millionaire tax myth

(28:18) - NYC pied a terre tax

(31:42) - Education loans and accounting

(34:58) - Chat Prompts Cyber Accounting

(36:15) - PwC Audit Scandal Lawsuit

(38:17) - BDO First Brands Fallout

(40:50) - PCAOB QC Rule Debate

(44:34) - RSM Layoffs Audit Demand

(46:54) - AI Beats ER Doctors

(49:18) - Chegg Disrupted By AI

(51:13) - Rethinking Education Model

(53:17) - Accountants As Vibe Coders

(56:55) - Build Accounting In Excel

(01:01:44) - Wrap Up CPE And Travel

 

Show Notes
SEC, FASB Prepare for Semi-Annual Reporting Option
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/sec-fasb-prepare-for-semi-annual-reporting-option
OpenAI Launches the OpenAI Deployment Company to Help Businesses Build Around Intelligence
https://openai.com/index/openai-launches-the-deployment-company/

Opinion | The Iran War Will Cost Trillions
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/08/opinion/hegseth-war-cost.html

Global Economic Conditions Survey: Q1 2026
https://www.accaglobal.com/us/en/professional-insights/global-economics/gecs-q1-2026.html

Xero Founder Sir Rod Drury Returns New Zealander of the Year Award Amid Misconduct Claims
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/594669/xero-founder-sir-rod-drury-returns-new-zealander-of-the-year-award-amid-misconduct-claims

Refunds on Trump Tariffs Pose Accounting Dilemmas for Companies
https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/refunds-on-trump-tariffs-pose-accounting-dilemmas-for-companies

WNBA Star Kelsey Plum Shows Embarrassing Lack of Tax Knowledge
https://thespun.com/wnba/wnba-star-kelsey-plum-shows-embarrassing-lack-of-tax-knowledge

Column: WNBA Star Kelsey Plum Is Taking Heat for Getting California Tax Law Wrong. But Don't Blame Her
https://www.cpapracticeadvisor.com/2026/05/06/column-wnba-star-kelsey-plum-is-taking-heat-for-getting-california-tax-law-wrong-but-dont-blame-her/182897/

New York's Pied-a-Terre Tax Sets Up Legal Fight Over Values
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/24/new-york-pied-a-terre-tax.html

Education Dept. Rejects Accounting as Professional Degree
https://www.accountingtoday.com/news/education-dept-rejects-accounting-as-professional-degree

Corporate Travel's Accounting Shock: What It Means for PwC and the Wider Industry
https://www.corporatekeysaustralia.com.au/accommodation/news/corporate-travels-accounting-shock-what-it-means-for-pwc-and-the-wider-industry

First Brands Creditor Sues Auditor BDO Over Missed Red Flags
https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/first-brands-creditor-sues-auditor-bdo-over-missed-red-flags

Layoff Watch '26: RSM Trims Down in Audit
https://www.goingconcern.com/layoff-watch-26-rsm-trims-down-in-audit/

AI Is Starting to Beat Doctors at Making Correct Diagnoses
https://www.science.org/content/article/ai-starting-beat-doctors-making-correct-diagnoses

Chegg Was Dying Way Before ChatGPT – Chatbots Just Dealt the Fatal Blow
https://www.barchart.com/story/news/1744436/chegg-was-dying-way-before-chatgpt-chatbots-just-dealt-the-fatal-blow

Anthropic's Boris Cherny: Why Coding Is Solved, and What Comes Next
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlGRN8jh2RI

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