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We went lookin' for trouble and we found Kenny Hickey, guitarist and co-founder of HardLore's collective favorite band of all time: Type O Negative.

We discuss the entire history of Type O Negative from Kenny's perspective, starting from the beginning at his introduction to music as a lifelong rocker/metalhead, his intimidating introduction to Peter Steele as a teenager, the many early phases and band names of Type O, we reflect on their entire discography and the tours & tribulations in between in chronological order, all the way up to the tragic loss of Peter in 2010.

We're joined by long time friend of the show Andrew Saba, currently of The Virgos, formerly of Harms Way, Nails, Bad Seed and more.

These days Kenny is rocking in Silvertomb (New album out November 13th) and Sun Don't Shine and we can't thank him enough for joining us for this historic conversation.
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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:34 - Kenneth Sean Hickey
00:02:43 - Kenny Discovering Music
00:04:50 - Peter Steele & Josh Silver Entering His Life
00:09:55 - Kenny's Early Bands
00:12:09 - The Origin of Type O Negative
00:20:14 - Type O Negative's Imagery, Band Name & Early Goals
00:27:07 - SLOW, DEEP AND HARD
00:33:15 - Early Type O Negative Shows & Signing to Roadrunner
00:40:09 - Type O Negative's First Tour w/ The Exploited & Biohazard
00:46:38 - Pardon this interruption...
00:48:21 - Type O Negative Merch
00:52:51 - Sal Abruscato, Roadrunner & More Tour Woes
00:57:58 - Type O Negative's First European Tour & Peter's Controversial Press
01:05:35 - ORIGIN OF THE FECES
01:15:05 - BLOODY KISSES
01:24:47 - Modern Day Goth Culture
01:31:03 - Type O Becoming Financially Sustainable
01:35:17 - Life of Agony & Sal Leaving Type O
01:40:37 - Johnny Kelly
01:44:50 - Success, Motley Crue, Beavis and Butthead
01:53:37 - Pardon this last interruption...
01:55:36 - Pete's Playgirl Spread & Pantera Tours
01:59:31 - OCTOBER RUST
02:15:49 - Deftones Beef at UFest 1996
02:19:18 - Cocaine's Effects on Type O
02:24:54 - After Dark
02:27:57 - WORLD COMING DOWN
02:35:31 - 1999-2003
02:39:52 - LIFE IS KILLING ME
02:47:24 - Napster, Torrents and the Collapse of the Music Industry
02:49:24 - Peter Steele Goes to Ryker's
02:52:39 - IT'S KFC OR LAX (Food on the road)
02:54:57 - DEAD AGAIN
03:05:26 - Peter Steele Passes Away
03:10:16 - Will Type O Negative Come Back?
03:14:34 - Silvertomb
03:19:34 - Rapid Fire: Kenny Hickey Edition
03:25:17 - Kenny's Top 4 Hardcore Records

Hello, welcome back! We’re joined by legendary punk/hardcore pioneer KEITH MORRIS, co-founder of Black Flag and the band that the second half of this historic conversation focuses on: THE CIRCLE JERKS.

We talk their iconic debut LP GROUP SEX, it’s timeless follow up Wild In The Streets, the Decline of Western Civilization documentary being a business card for the band moving forward, their appearance in the cult classic Repo Man, their constant battle with the Bad Religion schedule, Keith’s appearance in Grand Theft Auto V and MUCH more.

Thank you again to Keith and my very special guest co-host Anthony Anzaldo of Ceremony for joining us for a true landmark pair of episodes.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.
Shot, edited and mixed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
Title sequence by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:37 - THE CIRCLE JERKS
00:17:28 - Group Sex
00:23:18 - Beverly Hills (and Century City)
00:27:17 - World Up My Ass
00:33:44 - Back Against the Wall
00:35:35 - Paid Vacation & Circle Jerks' Writing Dynamic
00:37:15 - Decline of Western Civilization
00:43:24 - Earliest Circle Jerks Tours, John Belushi & Negative
Approach
00:46:07 - Negative Approach
00:50:13 - Paradigm Shifting Punk Bands Over Time
00:54:01 - WILD IN THE STREETS
01:02:49 - Stars and Stripes (hard pit)
01:05:02 - Touring On Wild In The Streets
01:09:47 - Keith's Thoughts on Warped Tour
01:15:32 - Keith's Thoughts on Touring Europe
01:16:58 - Touring In Europe Today For Circle Jerks
01:18:42 - Dissecting Golden Shower, Wonderful & VI
01:23:55 - Repo Man
01:30:38 - LAPD At War With Punks
01:36:45 - Circle Jerks Break Up in 1989
01:39:52 - GTA V Music
01:46:05 - FLAG (and the legal ramifications)
01:57:22 - Rapid Fire: Keith Morris Edition

No need to have a nervous breakdown, we've finally got the legendary KEITH MORRIS on HardLore, one of the founding fathers of hardcore music.

In part 1 of this incredible 4+ hour two-part special, we start at the beginning with Keith's introduction to music (he's a big fan) and deep dive into starting Panic (eventually known as BLACK FLAG) with Greg Ginn, what early punk rock was like in the South Bay and greater LA area in the late 70s, how Black Flag finally became Black Flag, recruiting the rest of the band, the incomparable artistic contributions of the great Raymond Pettibon, recording NERVOUS BREAKDOWN (and re-recording most of it with Circle Jerks), why and how he ultimately left the band, and so much more...

Thanks to my incredible co-host Anthony Anzaldo of Ceremony for the fantastic assist and great questions/insight as always.

Next week we pick up right where we leave off, with the beginning of the Circle Jerks... Grab a copy of Circle Jerks - Revenge of Nervous Breakdown, their first recording in 30 years, while you still can: https://linktr.ee/circlejerks
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Title sequence by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠⁠⁠
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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:47 - Keith Morris
00:08:46 - Keith Loves Music
00:19:53 - Meeting Greg Ginn (Keith Loves Music Cont.)
00:30:40 - Panic Forming (Black Flag) and the MANY Early Members
00:43:46 - Becoming a REAL Band (Chuck The Duke)
00:46:59 - Robo, Cocaine & Punk Developing in Real Time
00:58:29 - Black Flag Becoming Black Flag
01:05:05 - Nervous Breakdown
01:09:35 - Keith Leaving Black Flag
01:12:12 - The Public's Response to Nervous Breakdown
01:27:44 - The Black Flag Bars
01:31:55 - SST & It's Residual Effects
01:36:17 - Keith Leaving Black Flag
01:39:59 - Circle Jerks Re-Recording Nervous Breakdown
01:46:40 - Why Depression, Nervous Breakdown, Fix Me & Revenge?
01:49:20 - Henry Rollins Black Flag
01:53:14 - Everything Went Black, The Germs, Darby Crash
01:57:03 - Have Keith & Greg Reconnected?

This week we’re joined by Andrew Kline, co-founder and guitarist of one of California hardcore’s most important bands: STRIFE.

We dive into the many fateful encounters that had to happen for the band to start in the beginning of the 90s to usher in a new era and new generation of straight edge hardcore. Strife, along with Earth Crisis and Snapcase were eventually considered the original “Victory Records Trinity” and set the standard for what a hardcore band could do worldwide in the mid to late 90s.

We break down their entire discography, including their breakout debut One Truth and their decade-defining masterpiece In This Defiance — all the way up until their breakup and eventual return (and misunderstood statement about no longer being straight edge) in the 2000s.

An incredibly insightful and fascinating window into what is now an underrated band, but one that has seen what the top of the mountain of hardcore music has to offer.

Check out HardLore's very own ⁠PLAN X RECORDS!⁠ A brand new home for straight edge hardcore. Debut release announced on Edge Day.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.

Shot, Mixed & Edited by ⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠
Title sequence by ⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠

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00:00:00 - Start
00:01:49 - Andrew Kline
00:09:34 - Finding Hardcore
00:19:57 - The Long, Beautiful Story of How Strife Begins
00:32:13 - xStand As Onex
00:42:20 - The Early Days of Strife
00:53:51 - Plan X Records & Guilty Party
00:56:25 - Victory Records & The Only The Strong Compilation
01:03:22 - ONE TRUTH
01:09:46 - Touring Relentlessly & Sick of it All
01:31:01 - Strife As A Career & The Birth of Today's Hardcore Economy
01:45:19 - Gearing Up for In This Defiance & Meeting Sepultura
01:56:41 - IN THIS DEFIANCE
02:01:09 - Blistered
02:15:09 - Strife Breaking Edge and Breaking Hearts
02:25:27 - In This Defiance & It's Impact on Victory
02:33:34 - Touring Killed Strife
02:40:02 - Bringing Back Strife (Angermeans)
03:03:11 - Rapid Fire: Strife Edition
03:08:17 - Top 4 Hardcore Records

Hello welcome! Decided to take a minute this week to reflect on the last 4 and a half years of the show and do a little deep dive into what are, in my opinion, our top 10 most important episodes. "Important" meaning episodes that we talked about often that felt like game changers in different ways: Creative growth, audience growth, and personal growth.

I'm sure many will feel different and have their own picks, but these are the ones that I believe Bo and I would both would have picked. Hope you enjoy this unique solo deep dive before we post back to back to back episodes of pure HEAT coming up.
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HardLore: A Knotfest Series, fueled by Monster Energy.
Shot, edited and mixed by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Steven Grise⁠⁠⁠⁠
Title sequence by ⁠⁠⁠⁠Nicholas Marzluf⁠⁠⁠⁠
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00:00 - Start
02:20 - Honorable Mentions
16:57 - Number 10: HauntLore Salem (With Kurt Ballou)
19:53 - Number 9: Justice Tripp (Trapped Under Ice/Angel Du$t)
23:09 - Number 8: Bryan Garris (Knocked Loose)
26:16 - Number 7: Fast Food Tier List
30:39 - Number 6: Vinnie Stigma (Agnostic Front)
34:49 - Number 5: HardLore Jeopardy
39:00 - Number 4: Jamey Jasta (Hatebreed)
41:07 - Number 3: Parris Mayhew (Cro-Mags)
46:21 - Number 2: Davey Havok (AFI)
51:57 - Number 1...